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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am for the death penalty but I do not think you should get such a punishment based only on eye witness testimony.
    It's a fine line. There's no doubt that eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. But. This boils down to police misconduct, if we can believe the now-recanting eyewitnesses. Why aren't all police interrogations taped and made available to the defense? Especially in a death penalty case. And what of a "court system" that hears the recantations, one after the other, and still refuses to grant a stay or clemency? What can we say about them? Our courts are completely autonomous; they answer to no one. And just as coppers have a blue line, the court system has its 'silence is golden' rule. The last defense against injustice is the appeals process....then clemency. Clemency failed.

    Why doesn't it make more sense to err on the side of caution?? Poor guy.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I wonder if you'll feel this way if you are one of the innocent people being sent to death "in order to ensure that every guilty one ends up there."
    I feel the exact opposite, I would rather let every heinous criminal avoid the gallows to save the one innocent person. The death penalty is just not worth it IMO.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    My feeling is that for the death penalty to be on the table the burden of proof should 'beyond any doubt' instead of 'beyond a reasonable doubt' This would mean hard physical evidence the person actually did it, multiple eye witnesses seeing the person doing it, surveillance footage of the person doing it, etc. would be required for the death penalty to be on the table. I would also favor a federal law that says anyone sentenced to 'life without parole' cannot be paroled.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    As a man who is for the death penalty because there are some humans that are unfortunatelty not worth the risk of salvaging....but to make a statement like this is incredibly inhumane and just stupid
    Then just add it to the list of the "incredibly inhumane and stupid" things I believe.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    I wonder if you'll feel this way if you are one of the innocent people being sent to death "in order to ensure that every guilty one ends up there."
    If I'm ever in a situation where it COULD happen to me, then I probably deserve to have it happen.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Rick Perry didn't sentence the man, but he signed the death warrant, and the investigation by the forensics board (before Perry shut it down) showed that Perry knowingly sent an innocent man to his death.
    I believe he has to sign the death warrant in every capital case. I believe that what Rick Perry has decided is that, if the jury assesses the death penalty, he's going to honor that. Keep in mind, every single death case is automatically appealed. If someone is eventually executed, that means, not only has a jury given the sentence, the highest court in Texas has reviewed it and upheld the conviction and sentence as well.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    This happens much less often than most people like to suggest. Additionally, I rarely see truly innocent people executed. They may not be guilty of what they were charged with, but they're rarely salt-of-the-earth, Mother Theressa types either.
    Tigger, I partially agree with you. The chances of having the wrong guy on death row are very slim nowadays. On the other hand, I don't agree it's ok to execute somebody just because they're probably guilty of something else. I support the death penalty, but only if it's correctly applied to the person who actually committed the crime.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's a fine line. There's no doubt that eye-witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. But. This boils down to police misconduct, if we can believe the now-recanting eyewitnesses. Why aren't all police interrogations taped and made available to the defense? Especially in a death penalty case. And what of a "court system" that hears the recantations, one after the other, and still refuses to grant a stay or clemency? What can we say about them? Our courts are completely autonomous; they answer to no one. And just as coppers have a blue line, the court system has its 'silence is golden' rule. The last defense against injustice is the appeals process....then clemency. Clemency failed.

    Why doesn't it make more sense to err on the side of caution?? Poor guy.
    I think that case happened twenty years ago.If they did have video it would have been black and white and very grainy, I do not think would have done any good. I remember those security camera videos from convenient stores and banks they used to show on tv. They would show what looks like a unrecognizable figure and say if you can ID this suspect please call the police and I would be like who in the hell can ID that, that looks looks like one of those bigfoot videos they should show on one of those tv shows. However today good security video technology is cheap and good and you can clearly make out what someone looks like. I agree it should be required by law that the police video record all interviews/questionings and interrogations. This is so that it can be used as evidence and for the defense to see if there was any evidence the witnesses sounded like they were being coerced or led or to see if police lied to get statements.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Leaving aside some of the over the top rhetoric, I have some real problems with this whole story. Either we have to assume that a group of people is perfectly willing to ignore evidence and condemn a man to death, which I find unlikely, or we have to assume that the evidence we hear is not correct, which seems unlikely, or we can assume that there is more evidence that most of us are unfamiliar with, which seems more likely. I think this rush to judgement on the part of people posting here is kinda sad, though I can understand where it is coming from. Everything I have heard(and not mentioned in the thread is one of the 2 witnesses who has not recanted is a possible suspect in the murder, and that one of the jurors commented that if he knew the ballistic results he would have voted not guilty) suggests that there is strong reason to question his conviction, and yet those 5 people on the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles where not swayed, which means either they are bad people, or painfully dumb, or there is something else going on we do not know about.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    How about innocent lives snubbed out by a released convict? There really is no such thing as "life without parole" because, while a judge/jury can impose it, a parole board can always change it.
    You know, doing the right thing is rarely easy. There are costs and risks with doing the right thing. I would rather be on the side of right, than on the side of safe. Me personally, I am willing to accept a slightly elevated risk to not execute innocent people and to live in a country where you are innocent until proven guilty.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    or there is something else going on we do not know about.
    Well why not illuminate the "Something Else" so perhaps as far as the public is concerned this can be put to rest?

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