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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Death is the ultimate punishment. There are no do-overs. The death penalty probably constitutes the most intrusive form of government action currently permitted by law. On the other side of the equation, life is without question the most fundamental right afforded to Americans by our Constitution. It should not be taken from us without the highest level of justification. Accordingly, the death penalty should not be imposed as a sentence unless (1) the crime is truly heinous, and (2) there is absolute certainty regarding the perpetrator's guilt.

    Such a rule would generally limit the penalty to imposition on those with a long history (established by non-circumstantial evidence) of engaging in inhumane action -- serial killers, mass murderers, genocidal tyrants and the like. I am completely fine with that. Attaching death as a potential penalty for "ordinary" murder raises far too great of a risk of inconsistency, discrimination, and plain error.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Apparently a jury did believe his guilt was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. True though, I was not on that jury and neither was anyone else here (I'm fairly certain).
    And that jury was poisoned by witnesses who later admitted to lying on the stand, after being coerced by the police. There are also at least 10 witness, who saw it happen, and gave that information to the police. They even gave the police the real killer's name. What the **** don't you get about this?? This wasn't an execution. This was a murder, and may those who were behind it rot in hell.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that jury was poisoned by witnesses who later admitted to lying on the stand, after being coerced by the police. There are also at least 10 witness, who saw it happen, and gave that information to the police. They even gave the police the real killer's name. What the **** don't you get about this?? This wasn't an execution. This was a murder, and may those who were behind it rot in hell.
    Yeeeesssss...now strike him down and let your journey to the dark side become complete...

    Or...

    read both sides of the story without a preconceived position of oh so rightous indignation. Many of those that 'recanted' their testimony are still all over the place on their testimony and have never faced prosecutors cross examination. 5 that identified him as the shooter have never wavered. No one really knows what the implicating forensic evidence was found on the shorts he was wearing was because it was tossed out. He was convicted by a 7 black/5 white member jury selection so the defense argument that he couldnt get a fair trial is garbage. His own story is all over the place...not shocking when you have had 30 years to reconstruct it. He was indeed the only person at the same location as both shootings. He admitted to being in on the beatdown of the homeless guy but then says he was long gone before the officer was shot...even though the officer interceeded int he actual beatdown. Oh...theres LOTS of different accounts. You get enough time, money, and people on it and you can muddy up any event.

    I dont know if he did it or not. I wasnt there. I was not on the jury and didnt sit through the trial. I...like everyone else...just gets to read other peoples accounts of the 'evidence', both for and agin.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And that jury was poisoned by witnesses who later admitted to lying on the stand, after being coerced by the police. There are also at least 10 witness, who saw it happen, and gave that information to the police. They even gave the police the real killer's name. What the **** don't you get about this?? This wasn't an execution. This was a murder, and may those who were behind it rot in hell.
    Seems the witnessess that lied must have been ok to let the Davis sit in jail for 20 years. So that part of waiting 20 years doesn't bother you? Do you think they would have continued to sit back if the date for his execution wasn't finally set?
    By their standards it must be ok for a person who is not guilty to stay in jail. There is something more to the story than what has been printed.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'll posted what I posted on facebook:
    This is exactly why people should note the phrase government inefficiency. If you believe the government isn't the solution, and smaller is better, then don't give it the authority to kill it's own people. It's common sense. This defies the principles of small government Conservativism as far as I see it, and this also shows how devastatingly ineffective the government is run.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And I notice you are still ducking this. If you are going to call people out for ducking your posts, you might not want to be ducking theirs.
    Talking to yourself?

    Presuming this was actually meant for me, I'm not ducking it, I'm just a victim of adult onset ADHD. I'll have a reply shortly.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, I'm not really a "death penalty opponent" (although I may be on my way to becoming because my views have changed somewhat recently), but the problem most people have with the death penalty isn't that it kills guilty people, it's that it kills innocent people as well...
    The death penalty needs overhauled. It shouldn't be as easy as it currently is for the government to kill people. In some cases, I have no problem with it and never did. I see it as practical, but it's mostly handled like an instrument of politics today which is the problem. Conservatives are especially afraid of pardoning somebody for fear of appearing soft on the death penalty. But, putting to death serial killers, sadists, admitted thrill killers, and socipathic killers is practical. They show no remorse, and they basically thrive on hurting others. They will hurt people if they are released or escape, they think about hurting people, some of them even get off on fantasies of hurting/killing/torturing other people, and they write letters to people outside of prison to cause more fear and pain. Many serial killers have even achieved cult status fame and followers and cash in on their crimes. There is some kind of ebay site where they can literally sell letters and murder memorabilia.

    I have no problem putting certain people to death, never did, but I don't think every single person should be condemned to die for a crime just to make a political statement... and that's all the death penalty is IMO

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This is exactly why people should note the phrase government inefficiency. If you believe the government isn't the solution, and smaller is better, then don't give it the authority to kill it's own people. It's common sense. This defies the principles of small government Conservativism as far as I see it, and this also shows how devastatingly ineffective the government is run.
    It's a wonder to me that people don't think government is reliable enough to do anything from determine tax rates to implement social programs, but they're totally cool with letting it determine who lives and dies.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Apparently a jury did believe his guilt was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. True though, I was not on that jury and neither was anyone else here (I'm fairly certain).
    And the testimony/evidence that proved him "guilty" was later thrown into doubt. That's the essence of the problem.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    The fact that Brewer was a mean, nasty, and guilty son of a bitch is not, at all, uncommon for people on death row.



    If the objection is that the government shouldn't be carrying out executions, then the guilt/innocence shouldn't matter. This is why I could never become anti death penalty. Guilt and the actions of the killer do matter to me.
    Guilt and innocence does matter... it always matters. I have heard pro death penalty supporters constantly argue that nobody innocent gets executed today. It's an argument both sides use. Nobody is comfortable with the government killing innocent people. And earlier this year, Damien Echols was released from prison... and he was sitting on death row. He was another whose case was badly and poorly handled. Going to prison and enduring what he went through is completely ****ed up.... being wrongly put to death and being innocent is a massive atrocity, and it shouldn't happen in a country like America. In a country were we think we stand for human rights and others do not. Our government needs to act more responsibly than it has concerning the death penalty.

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