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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im not assuming...Im STATING...people that 'care' about the death penalty use individuals to further their cause.
    But your assuming that they only care when there is an individual case that makes the spotlight, which isn't so, for the majority anyway.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

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    But your assuming that they only care when there is an individual case that makes the spotlight, which isn't so, for the majority anyway.
    That is my assertion...correctly stated. Most of the people posting on this or any other death penalty thread hear about these individuals the day of or before the execution. Their 'care' lasts about 36-48 hours. I dont dispute there are some real true opponents of the death penalty that carry this torch daily. for most though? It is as conveenient of an 'issue' as is abortion (to both sides). When it only matters once every four years...it doesnt REALLY matter.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That is my assertion...correctly stated. Most of the people posting on this or any other death penalty thread hear about these individuals the day of or before the execution. Their 'care' lasts about 36-48 hours. I dont dispute there are some real true opponents of the death penalty that carry this torch daily. for most though? It is as conveenient of an 'issue' as is abortion (to both sides). When it only matters once every four years...it doesnt REALLY matter.
    It's more like, people have a belief, and when something like this hits the news, and thus hits sites like this, and people start talking about it, they express that opinion. It gets more attention during these times, but that doesn't mean that people don't stop having their beliefs after the story dies down. The fact is there are a million of other things to talk about, and the majority of people talk about things that are in the news. Such is human nature.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    I support the death penalty, but not in cases where there is not physical evidence.

    What bothers me about his case is the witnesses that said they lied because of the police. Why wait 20 years to recant. Was it ok for them to see this person stay in jail as long as he was not put to death? Something just doesn't seem right with the them now coming forward at the final hour. Our system is not perfect, yet it is better than some other countries.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    I've been thinking about all these so-called recanting of testimony claims you see so often when someone is about to get executed. How do we know how many of these or any of these are legitimate? A lot of these laywyers and activists out there trying to stop executions are not really very concerned about guilt and innocence. Their goal is to stop an execution by any means possible. And one of those means is to get witnesses to recant testimony. These witnesses have little to lose these many years later so recanting is not that difficult. Just say you were coerced by the police and there are not really any reprocussions in form of prosecution for perjury or lying to the police. The lawyers get the witnesses caught up in the death penalty issue and you say so what, at least the guy is in prison. So it is kind of hard to give these recants the weight the newspapers and the defendent's lawyers want you to give them.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's more like, people have a belief, and when something like this hits the news, and thus hits sites like this, and people start talking about it, they express that opinion. It gets more attention during these times, but that doesn't mean that people don't stop having their beliefs after the story dies down. The fact is there are a million of other things to talk about, and the majority of people talk about things that are in the news. Such is human nature.
    Dont get me wrong...Im fine with people discussing the death penalty when it becomes an issue. I just have a problem with people suddenly pretending to care about the individual...for the sake of a discussion. This story was front page news this morning...it will be gone by noon on most sites. After it hits the evening news...he will be..."hey...remember that guy? That one guy...you know...in Gerogia? He was...like...excuted for something right?" "Yeah...just like that guy in Texas a few weeks back...remember that one?"

    but hey...I suppose a footnote and a few minutes of consideration are better than not caring about them at all while they spend the rest of their lives in prison.

    It is either important or it isnt.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And I noticed you made it a point to avoid answering the long post I made to you in this thread. Why is that?

    See how that works?
    And I notice you are still ducking this. If you are going to call people out for ducking your posts, you might not want to be ducking theirs.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    I just got though hearing / reading his death bed statement.

    How many of us would have the presence of mind and strength of character to say something coherent, let alone inspiring, just minutes before being put to death by the state?

    Troy Davis managed it. According to witnesses who were present,

    He looked directly at the members of the family of Mark MacPhail, the officer he was convicted of killing, and told them they had the wrong man. “I did not personally kill your son, father, brother,” he said. “All I can ask is that you look deeper into this case so you really can finally see the truth.” He then told his supporters and family to “keep the faith” and said to prison personnel [who were about to kill him], “May God have mercy on your souls; may God bless your souls.”
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    I just got though hearing / reading his death bed statement.



    Troy Davis’s Deathbed Public Speech
    Yea i heard this too.
    This is so sad


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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    I just got though hearing / reading his death bed statement.
    Troy Davis’s Deathbed Public Speech
    “You have a choice. You can either fold up your bags after tomorrow and go home, or you can stand and continue this fight"

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