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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor
    You have a point. To death penalty opponents, guilt or innocence has to be irrelevant. However, for those who are arguing this is a gross miscarriage of justice...well it is that only if he's not guilty.
    Regardless if he is guilty or innocent, state-sponsored murder is a miscarriage of justice. And anyway, it's more cost effective to put someone behind bars for life.

    At least if this individual were sentenced to life, he would be alive while further proof of his innocence is being gathered. Executions, in my mind, are supposed to happen when there is ZERO DOUBT of guilt.

    In this case, Georgia is being stupid and pigheaded.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I mean, given what we know now, I do think there is enough reasonable doubt; however he used all his appeals. My point was given the retraction of the eye witness testimony, at the very least the death penalty should have been taken off the table. Then his lawyers should have gone back to the courts and petitioned for a new trial based on the new evidence. I do not know if the second part is possible, but I'd imagine given the new evidence that he would get a new appeal.
    I am opposed to the death penalty. My perspective has nothing to do with the individual and everything to do with the families of the victim. I think executing murderers keeps many families of victims stuck in hatred and anger and it is a poison they will carry with them for the rest of their lives and I think that is tragic. Sentencing is a component of a societies system of law and order. I dont live in Georgia and know NOTHING about the case. I have folowed several death penalty cases and find that invariably, people and their perspectives are driven by the cause. They can cite verbatim the talking points on one side but are completely ignorant of the other sides arguments. Thats a piss poor way to make a reasoned opinion and decision in my book. Few will even BOTHER to look at the evidence presented from the other side...thats for or against. Once their mind is made up based on the cause, they dont particularly care about the individual or the facts. I think it is COMICAL to hear people sya "I oppose the death penalty...screw them...they shpould make them rot for the rest of their life in a cell".

    I care about the families of victims first and safety of society second. A convicted murderer? VERY much down on my Chirstmas give-a-**** list. Im not naive...I know sometimes there are miscarriages of justice. Ive worked with prisoners and the prison system...that miscarriage of justice is in my opinion much les prevalent that some people believe.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    no, that man who was not executed can continue to petition the governor or succeeding governors. his options aren't exhausted.
    And since he is 'just' in prison for the rest of his life...who really cares? Where are the throngs of people that show up for executions on a day to day basis? There are far more people in prison with life sentences that maintain their innocence. Why arent people as invigorated about THOSE 'injustices'? Because they dont CARE about the individual...the individual is just a rallying cry. They care about the cause.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And since he is 'just' in prison for the rest of his life...who really cares? Where are the throngs of people that show up for executions on a day to day basis? There are far more people in prison with life sentences that maintain their innocence. Why arent people as invigorated about THOSE 'injustices'?
    Errrr ......Life... as opposed to death!!!

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by tjinta ibis View Post
    Errrr ......Life... as opposed to death!!!
    Wait...I thought this was about his INNOCENCE.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And HERE is precisely the problem. You suddenly care because of the death sentence. So lets say his sentence was commuted to life. Yay!!! Tremendous victory!!! We freqin ROCK we are so powerful! And then you (the generic you meaning all the suddenly inspired anti-death penalty crowd) go about your happy lives unconcerned that that same guy who you believe doesnt deserve the death sentence because of questionable testimony is going to spend the rest of his LIFE in prison with that same questionable testimony. Its not ABOUT the individual...its about 'the cause'. Thats one of my biggest objections to banning the death penalty...the out of sight out of mind mindset that goes along with a life sentence while we can all run around feeling very superior because we dont execute people.
    The fact is that a person who is in jail can continue to fight for his release, while a dead man can't. It's all about making sure our justice system has every chance to correct itself, and killing someone puts an end to that.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And since he is 'just' in prison for the rest of his life...who really cares? Where are the throngs of people that show up for executions on a day to day basis? There are far more people in prison with life sentences that maintain their innocence. Why arent people as invigorated about THOSE 'injustices'? Because they dont CARE about the individual...the individual is just a rallying cry. They care about the cause.
    I think people are, it's just people have lives to live, and can't go out and protest for every little thing that may be connected to something they believe in. And death penalty cases get alot of attention because the finality of the situation, and the thought if people don't do something now it will be too late.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    The fact is that a person who is in jail can continue to fight for his release, while a dead man can't. It's all about making sure our justice system has every chance to correct itself, and killing someone puts an end to that.
    Then there should be daily outcry about the death penalty and people should stop pretending to care about the individual cases.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Then there should be daily outcry about the death penalty and people should stop pretending to care about the individual cases.
    Individual cases get the media attention, doesn't mean people stop caring about wanting to abolish the death penalty when there isn't a big case on the media. Your assuming things that just aren't the case.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Individual cases get the media attention, doesn't mean people stop caring about wanting to abolish the death penalty when there isn't a big case on the media. Your assuming things that just aren't the case.
    Im not assuming...Im STATING...people that 'care' about the death penalty use individuals to further their cause.

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