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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    In light of the new details, there is reasonable doubt. And I'm less "blowing off the jury" then pointing out the fault of judging this case on what the original jury decided. The jury, in this case, made their decision based on the testimony of I think 9? people, 7 of whom recanted.

    The fact is NOBODY was a juror with the CURRENT evidence in this case.
    And yet everyone is convinced he's innocent based on news reports and things likely to never be admissable at trial. But hey, if you all know better.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You're clearly unaware of how large the anti-death penalty movement is in this country. It's really not a stretch to predict that it will increase after this case.
    Im ACCUTELY aware of how very often it is ignored on this site by all the very caring and concerned people...until someone is about to be executed. Then...by reading up on a few articles presenting one side of the facts they are suddenly experts and really really really sincerely care...till...say...noon of the next day.

    The death penalty opponents would be better served by making their cases built on something like this and staying committed to it on an ongoing basis rather than suddenly giving a **** about a guy who was executed in Texas for raping a 16 year old and then bashing her head in with a rock, or whoever the 'next' guy is that is about to be executed.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

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    And yet everyone is convinced he's innocent based on news reports and things likely to never be admissable at trial. But hey, if you all know better.
    I'm not going to say he was innocent, but given what we know about the witnesses testimony, I do think the death penalty should have been taken off the table.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

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    And yet everyone is convinced he's innocent based on news reports and things likely to never be admissable at trial. But hey, if you all know better.
    I've seen you pull this out several times.

    Not many, if any, people are convinced he's innocent. We're convinced that 7 out of 9 recanted testimonies, no DNA evidence and no gun is enough for reasonable doubt and no death penalty. People have explained this to you several times. It would be cool if you would stop misrepresenting our argument as being "convinced that he's innocent".

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    I'm not going to say he was innocent, but given what we know about the witnesses testimony, I do think the death penalty should have been taken off the table.
    And HERE is precisely the problem. You suddenly care because of the death sentence. So lets say his sentence was commuted to life. Yay!!! Tremendous victory!!! We freqin ROCK we are so powerful! And then you (the generic you meaning all the suddenly inspired anti-death penalty crowd) go about your happy lives unconcerned that that same guy who you believe doesnt deserve the death sentence because of questionable testimony is going to spend the rest of his LIFE in prison with that same questionable testimony. Its not ABOUT the individual...its about 'the cause'. Thats one of my biggest objections to banning the death penalty...the out of sight out of mind mindset that goes along with a life sentence while we can all run around feeling very superior because we dont execute people.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im ACCUTELY aware of how very often it is ignored on this site by all the very caring and concerned people...until someone is about to be executed. Then...by reading up on a few articles presenting one side of the facts they are suddenly experts and really really really sincerely care...till...say...noon of the next day.

    The death penalty opponents would be better served by making their cases built on something like this and staying committed to it on an ongoing basis rather than suddenly giving a **** about a guy who was executed in Texas for raping a 16 year old and then bashing her head in with a rock, or whoever the 'next' guy is that is about to be executed.
    There are some people who have a fleeting interest. However, the anti-death penalty movement isn't characterized by those people and they do tend to focus on a certain number of cases and derive their positions from those cases.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I've seen you pull this out several times.

    Not many, if any, people are convinced he's innocent. We're convinced that 7 out of 9 recanted testimonies, no DNA evidence and no gun is enough for reasonable doubt and no death penalty. People have explained this to you several times. It would be cool if you would stop misrepresenting our argument as being "convinced that he's innocent".
    You have a point. To death penalty opponents, guilt or innocence has to be irrelevant. However, for those who are arguing this is a gross miscarriage of justice...well it is that only if he's not guilty.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And HERE is precisely the problem. You suddenly care because of the death sentence. So lets say his sentence was commuted to life. Yay!!! Tremendous victory!!! We freqin ROCK we are so powerful! And then you (the generic you meaning all the suddenly inspired anti-death penalty crowd) go about your happy lives unconcerned that that same guy who you believe doesnt deserve the death sentence because of questionable testimony is going to spend the rest of his LIFE in prison with that same questionable testimony. Its not ABOUT the individual...its about 'the cause'. Thats one of my biggest objections to banning the death penalty...the out of sight out of mind mindset that goes along with a life sentence while we can all run around feeling very superior because we dont execute people.
    I mean, given what we know now, I do think there is enough reasonable doubt; however he used all his appeals. My point was given the retraction of the eye witness testimony, at the very least the death penalty should have been taken off the table. Then his lawyers should have gone back to the courts and petitioned for a new trial based on the new evidence. I do not know if the second part is possible, but I'd imagine given the new evidence that he would get a new appeal.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And HERE is precisely the problem. You suddenly care because of the death sentence. So lets say his sentence was commuted to life. Yay!!! Tremendous victory!!! We freqin ROCK we are so powerful! And then you (the generic you meaning all the suddenly inspired anti-death penalty crowd) go about your happy lives unconcerned that that same guy who you believe doesnt deserve the death sentence because of questionable testimony is going to spend the rest of his LIFE in prison with that same questionable testimony. Its not ABOUT the individual...its about 'the cause'. Thats one of my biggest objections to banning the death penalty...the out of sight out of mind mindset that goes along with a life sentence while we can all run around feeling very superior because we dont execute people.
    no, that man who was not executed can continue to petition the governor or succeeding governors. his options aren't exhausted.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You have a point. To death penalty opponents, guilt or innocence has to be irrelevant. However, for those who are arguing this is a gross miscarriage of justice...well it is that only if he's not guilty.
    Not true. Those who think that this is a gross miscarriage of justice don't think it because they think he's not guilty, they think it because there is so much reasonable doubt. Most people do not have solid opinions on his guilt or innocence - it's about the evidence or lack thereof.

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