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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Plainly stated, I don't know. I also don't know how you all are so certain that he didn't.
    Yea, that inconvenient aspect, known as reasonable doubt, can be a bitch, can't it?
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    So, what would you say about the CJS if Davis had not been convicted, or had even been allowed to plea bargain to manslaughter, was released back into society, and killed yet another police officer?
    I would say that such a scenario is irrelevant to the death penalty discussion. If he had not been convicted and had been released or had been allowed to plea bargain and ended up killing another police officer, it would have happened regardless of whether or not the death penalty were in place. If he had been convicted, he could have gotten life without parole or something similar had the death penalty not been in place.

    With regard to your particular scenario, if that's what ended happening, then that's what happens. You convict someone and lock him up if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is guilty of the crime he is alleged to have committed. You don't get to jail anyone you want just because you think he might potentially kill someone in the future. That's a very slippery slope. I mean, we can play "what if" games all day, but no one hypothetical anecdote is good enough of an argument in favor of or against the death penalty.
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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    I find it a tad ironic that someone like Casey Anthony can go free, and this guy couldn't even get a stay of execution, let alone another trial. I know many like to think that the American justice system is infallible, but if this doesn't prove that wrong, i don't know what does.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I find it a tad ironic that someone like Casey Anthony can go free, and this guy couldn't even get a stay of execution, let alone another trial.
    The jury in the Casey Anthony case made the right decision, that's all I have to say about that.

    Personally, I think that Davis should have gotten a re-trial in light of the recantations. Yesterday was actually his fourth execution date, he had previously received stays of execution on three previous occasions. My research of the case gives me the sense that what happened was that the Troy Davis case was in constant legal limbo, and in the end the state decided the only way to end the whole complex affair was to kill him and be done with it. But in the end i think the right and fair thing to do would have been to give him a re-trial.

    I know many like to think that the American justice system is infallible, but if this doesn't prove that wrong, i don't know what does.
    Very few people think that. The American justice system is administered by human beings. Humans are fallible creatures; we are not God. However, the justice system should try to should do its best to avoid making mistakes, and IMHO this execution was a serious **** up.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, that inconvenient aspect, known as reasonable doubt, can be a bitch, can't it?
    Apparently a jury did believe his guilt was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. True though, I was not on that jury and neither was anyone else here (I'm fairly certain).

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Apparently a jury did believe his guilt was proven beyond a reasonable doubt. True though, I was not on that jury and neither was anyone else here (I'm fairly certain).
    Yep, the jury certainly did, based, in large part, on the testimonies of many people who have now taken their words back, so I don't think the jury is really a valid factor in analyzing this case.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    You're forgetting that Perry is being pasted with an ugly brush for an execution in his state, so I'm betting tomorrow sometime a reporter's going to ask him about the Davis execution.

    So this one could have some staying power.
    Oh sure...as long as someone can use it for a political edge people will really well and truly CARE about this issue.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Yep, the jury certainly did, based, in large part, on the testimonies of many people who have now taken their words back, so I don't think the jury is really a valid factor in analyzing this case.
    If Dana's going to introduce legal concepts such as "reasonable doubt" you cannot blow off the jury. Everyone in this country (and every other) could have "reasonable doubt" but it makes no difference if you're not a juror.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh sure...as long as someone can use it for a political edge people will really well and truly CARE about this issue.
    You're clearly unaware of how large the anti-death penalty movement is in this country. It's really not a stretch to predict that it will increase after this case.

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    Re: Troy Davis execution: Georgia pardons board denies plea for clemency

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If Dana's going to introduce legal concepts such as "reasonable doubt" you cannot blow off the jury. Everyone in this country (and every other) could have "reasonable doubt" but it makes no difference if you're not a juror.
    In light of the new details, there is reasonable doubt. And I'm less "blowing off the jury" then pointing out the fault of judging this case on what the original jury decided. The jury, in this case, made their decision based on the testimony of I think 9? people, 7 of whom recanted.

    The fact is NOBODY was a juror with the CURRENT evidence in this case.

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