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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    Perry will not be getting my vote.

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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Means testing would most likely end up as the proverbial slippery slope. In the beginning, it would exclude the very wealthy and then creep downwards until only the destitute and poor would get it.
    eventually - probably yes. which is fine - if the program ends up having to be cut that drastically, better the poor continue to receive.

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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Means testing would most likely end up as the proverbial slippery slope. In the beginning, it would exclude the very wealthy and then creep downwards until only the destitute and poor would get it. SS would simply become a welfare program. If it were not all destroyed by that, such a tranformation would make it then easy to finish off. It is the boiling of the frog all over again.
    Exactly. Means testing is an underhanded way to eliminate Social Security altogether.


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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    no, doing nothing ends social security all together. benefits will reduced. means-testing is merely a means of ensuring that those who can least afford the cuts aren't asked to do so in order to cut a check every month to those who don't need it.

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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    eventually - probably yes. which is fine - if the program ends up having to be cut that drastically, better the poor continue to receive.
    At this perceived point, all of the former middle class will be poor. Meaning that not much would change.
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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    that depends on what we do over the next few years. as a general operating rule, however, as the iron laws of mathematical and fiscal reality force us to change our entitlement system, a guiding principle should be making sure that any change negatively impact our poor least.



    ....you would think that would be a common point of assumption....

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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    These numbers clearly demonstrate that any politician taking a firm stance against Social Security will lose the support of the vast majority of the American people. This is in line and totally consistent with poll after poll after poll saying that the American people support Social Security in very high numbers.

    The sad thing is that folks like Perry are damn liars. They stand there with a straight face and try to reassure todays seniors - and even some of tomorrows seniors - that the program will be there for them. They then say that for younger workers, they should be able to opt out.

    Now either Perry and others make stupidity look like an afternoon at a MENSA meeting or they are being frauds and liars. Riddle me this Perryman - if younger workers opt out and no longer contribute that 12% in FICA tax - who is it that is contributing to Social Security to make those payments to todays and tomorrows seniors possible? What are you going to tell us a few years from now when we are not even taking in half of what we pay out and you clearly DO NOT WANT to tap into the general funds to make up the difference? What sad story will be accompanied by your crocodile tears as you tell the nation how you really wanted this to work but it just has not worked out the way you intended and we have to deeply cut SS benefits? And Perry knows that is the inevitable future of such a scam idea.

    This poll shows that the American people know better.

    Perry needs to have this stand on Social Security nailed to his forehead so it is out front and center every time he speaks.
    This type of response is exactly why this problem is here. Please take a look at these projections from the Congressional Budget Office. It doesn't matter if younger workers opt out or not, the funds are going to fall terribly short and will need to be made up. Let's deal with it all at the same time. Retirement should be self-funded, pay-as-you-go. So, let's figure out how to pay for the shortfall (protecting the seniors) and right the wrong that's been done. Yes, a mistake was made. Yes, we'll need to spend money to fix the problem. Yes, it can be fixed (by replacement or otherwise). Yes, we'll need to take the interim money from some other program or figure out how to raise it. Perry's not my ideal candidate, but shouting him down as a liar doesn't make sense. You can change/replace the system and protect seniors - it will take less money to do it now than in the future. And, it will take less money if new workers are able to put their money in the market than if their money continues to earn dismal returns from Uncle Sam.
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    Re: Poll: Perry's Social Security view concerns some Republicans

    you are assuming his intent is to save Social Security, rather than the Democrat Party in 2012.

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