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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

A lot of those Japanese cars are made in America. My Honda was built in Marysville, Ohio. My Chevy Impala, on the other hand, was built in Canada. It was a piece of ***, too, not because it was built in Canada, but because it was poorly designed and had multiple mechanical failures.

Somewhere, I read that America produces 20 lawyers for every engineer, while Japan produces 20 engineers for every lawyer. I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes a lot of sense. Who wants a car designed by lawyers?

You have made my point sir,
America has outsourced engineers, electricians,computer programers ,right down the line.

To say there are no good engineers or no good labor force in America, or none that can be taught.
Is like saying there are no comunist in China.:peace
 
I do not believe you actually know the difference, do you?

There's a lot of unemployed people out here that don't care about the "differance" they care about jobs.
 
The difference between what two elements?

But even if government simply buys planes from Boeing, the government is putting the people who build those planes to work; same as government would be putting construction people to work if it hires private contractors to build and repair bridges.

If you cut taxes and shrink government you are cutting jobs. While private sector jobs have been created lately (not as strong as it should be), those gains have been offset by massive layoffs in state and local governments.

So outsourceing played no part in this, 9+ unemployment% played no part in this ,43% that haven't worked in 6 months played no part in this?

Question; Who's building the parts that goes on the planes of Boeing?
 
If someone works for the government they have a government job. We do not want more government workers. We want less government workers. If the government buys a good or a service the government did not create a job or put people back to work. It bought a good or service. The company providing the good or service created the job. Not the government.
If you have a dollar in your pocket and you decide to buy something you are not creating jobs. You are buying something. The company that created the thing you bought created the job.

Let me get this straight , you are asking for less government workers who pay no taxes, we already have a lot less private workers paying no taxes, we have the working poor not paying taxes, we have tax cuts for the rich because they pay taxes.
Sooo, about this 15 trillion dollar debt, about the loan to China for 93, milllion and other debt, who's going to pay that?
If you are unemployed and your last unemployment check is on it's way, the dollar you have in your pocket you might want to keep.

As far as buying American products not creating jobs.
That takes a lot of guilt off the growing American consumer that are buying foriegn products.
That old "be a patriot buy American" kinda left with the jobs anyway.
So to the American corporations that want to sell their products; I say BON CHANCE, GOOD LUCK IN FORIEGN COUNTRIES WITH FORIEGN CONSUMERS..
 
There is little practical difference if the private contractor gets all or most of its work from the government.
Wow!

I cannot understand how little people know about things.
When it is a government job the government, meaning the half of us that pay the taxes, are on the hook for pay, benefits, health care, and retirement. That sucking sound you hear is cash being sucked out of taxpayer wallets.
When it is a private job the individual is on the hook.

When I buy software my liability extends only to the price of the software. If I amply the software engineer my liability extends much further.
 
GM recently surpassed Toyota as the world's largest auto seller. GM, Chrysler, and Ford are all doing pretty well.

South Korea is the real tiger in the auto world, with Kia and Hyundai rapidly improving both quality and sales.

Lets see 2 out of 3 American auto companies had to be bailed out by tax payer money "aka government"
The controling stocks of Chrysler went to Fiat.
UAW is making a move for controling stocks of GM "OH NO UNIONS"
American Auto exports X, Foriegn Auto imports XXX

Alternitive fuel has became another talking point nothing more.

Funny, I don't see the American Auto industry doing that well.:peace
 
So they go out of business, and the next time those services are needed the taxpayers are on the hook to train another contractor to do the same work ... while paying for the defunct contractor's employees' unemployment/welfare/retraining.
No. No. No. No. No.

Someone else bids on the work and they get the contract.
 
yeah there is, if its services are not needed the tax payers aren't on the hook

As long as corporations have a golden parachute for bailouts in case profits drop ,as long as grants are needed by corporations, taxpayers will always be on the hook
 
Even the rightwing republicans don't believe that
This is one of the reasons I do not like you. I can take nothing you report at face value. You are untrustworthy.


http://bit.ly/qtKm00Brownback, a Republican, also said that reforming the state's regulatory and legal framework for the agriculture industry would attract new investment to Kansas. He said his administration would soon announce proposals for lowering the top rate of the state income tax, The Topeka Capital Journal reported.​

 
There's a lot of unemployed people out here that don't care about the "differance" they care about jobs.
Right. And you don't get jobs from the government. That road leads to right where we are. Bankruptcy...
The government needs to get out of the way. It needs to eliminate most of the 80,000 regulations that cost businesses a trillion dollars a year to comply with. And it needs to reduce taxes on corporations to below the current lowest rate in the first world.
 
Wow!

I cannot understand how little people know about things.
When it is a government job the government, meaning the half of us that pay the taxes, are on the hook for pay, benefits, health care, and retirement. That sucking sound you hear is cash being sucked out of taxpayer wallets.
When it is a private job the individual is on the hook.

When I buy software my liability extends only to the price of the software. If I amply the software engineer my liability extends much further.

That empty sound you here is the millions of out of work Americans not paying taxes.
So those that have jobs that are not only paying taxes for themselves but every unemployed worker in America.
So the more jobs that are outsourced the more taxes fall on those that have jobs.
That software you buy today may have a differant tax on it in the future.
When taxes get extended perhaps then your liability will be extended.:peace
 
Let me get this straight ,
Well, we can try but I have my doubts.
you are asking for less government workers who pay no taxes,
This makes no sense. Government workers consume tax dollars. They do not produce wealth. They consume it.
we already have a lot less private workers paying no taxes, we have the working poor not paying taxes,
Do you agree with me that the bottom half of wage earners ought to pay their fair share of federal income taxes? Then we agree.
we have tax cuts for the rich because they pay taxes.
You do realize that you are duped? Brainwashed?
Sooo, about this 15 trillion dollar debt, about the loan to China for 93, milllion and other debt, who's going to pay that?
Huh? Do you think government workers are paying down the debt?

If you are unemployed and your last unemployment check is on it's way, the dollar you have in your pocket you might want to keep.
Did you add this line just for its amusement value? What does it have to do with anything?

As far as buying American products not creating jobs.
That takes a lot of guilt off the growing American consumer that are buying foriegn products.
That old "be a patriot buy American" kinda left with the jobs anyway.
So to the American corporations that want to sell their products; I say BON CHANCE, GOOD LUCK IN FORIEGN COUNTRIES WITH FORIEGN CONSUMERS..
That was a tiring ramble.
 
That empty sound you here is the millions of out of work Americans not paying taxes.
So those that have jobs that are not only paying taxes for themselves but every unemployed worker in America.
So the more jobs that are outsourced the more taxes fall on those that have jobs.
That software you buy today may have a differant tax on it in the future.
When taxes get extended perhaps then your liability will be extended.:peace

I think I am just going to ignore you for a while.
 
Right. And you don't get jobs from the government. That road leads to right where we are. Bankruptcy...
The government needs to get out of the way. It needs to eliminate most of the 80,000 regulations that cost businesses a trillion dollars a year to comply with. And it needs to reduce taxes on corporations to below the current lowest rate in the first world.

You know that sounds vaguely familiar, all that the government needs to get out of the way it need to eliminate most of the 80,000 regulations that cost business a trillion dllars a year, and it needs to reduce taxes on corporations.

Of course it wasn't expalined with such nice words.

Reagan we need the rich to have more money then it will trickle down to the poor the late 70's

Palin "We need the government out of our business and corporations business"June2008

McCain "the government is not needed by corporate or private business, the American economy is strong August 2008

Corporations " we are going bankrupt we need money from the government, September 2008

Corporations "once we recieve our bailout money we can hire more American workers" LATE SEPTEMBER 2008

After recieving bailout money the corporations laid off more American workers.
Which brings us to where we are now, "BAD ECONOMY, BIG DEBT, NO MONEY CIRCULATION, HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT

So I say if Corporations want to deal, lets deal but hire American workers with a contract first.

If not I remind you where you are sir, this is the "UNITED" STATES OF AMERICA, UNITED WE WILL STAND OR "UNITED" WE WILL FALL.:peace
 
Lets see 2 out of 3 American auto companies had to be bailed out by tax payer money "aka government"
The controling stocks of Chrysler went to Fiat.
UAW is making a move for controling stocks of GM "OH NO UNIONS"
American Auto exports X, Foriegn Auto imports XXX

Alternitive fuel has became another talking point nothing more.

Funny, I don't see the American Auto industry doing that well.:peace

That was a fairly fact-free reply. Well, I guess there were xxx facts. :lol:

Here's a fact: GM sells more cars in China than it does in the U.S. Last year GM posted its first profit since 2004. This year it is profitable in all four regions in which it operates.

In May Chrysler reported its first profitable quarter in five years and its new models have been well reviewed.
 
Excellent Point.
 
I would like to point to the fact that the U.S. has (by far) one of the most independent economies on the planet. Yes, we might import more than any other nation on a nominal basis, but such comparisons do not reflect the nature of trade. The U.S. imports less than 15% of GDP, which is far far less than any other industrial nation in the world outside of Japan. But when you take into consideration Japan's export sensitivity in regards to output, the U.S. enjoys a greater independence (that is not to say we are completely independent).

So can the whole "we are exporting all our jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
 
I would like to point to the fact that the U.S. has (by far) one of the most independent economies on the planet. Yes, we might import more than any other nation on a nominal basis, but such comparisons do not reflect the nature of trade. The U.S. imports less than 15% of GDP, which is far far less than any other industrial nation in the world outside of Japan. But when you take into consideration Japan's export sensitivity in regards to output, the U.S. enjoys a greater independence (that is not to say we are completely independent).

So can the whole "we are exporting all our jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?

Borrowing trillions of dollars annually will never make anyone independent.
 
Borrowing trillions of dollars annually will never make anyone independent.

If you want to address my statement, then by all means make a relevant point.
 
No. No. No. No. No.

Someone else bids on the work and they get the contract.

Strange I heard of something called "no bid contract".

I find this to be odd for it is business that says they want nothing to do with government, yet they ask for a "no bid contract" ,which is no competition.
A Capitalist society survives on competition does it not?
 
Strange I heard of something called "no bid contract".

I find this to be odd for it is business that says they want nothing to do with government, yet they ask for a "no bid contract" ,which is no competition.
A Capitalist society survives on competition does it not?
Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons. A company that has gone out of business does not bid on any contracts including sole sourced ones.
 
Well, we can try but I have my doubts.

This makes no sense. Government workers consume tax dollars. They do not produce wealth. They consume it.

Do you agree with me that the bottom half of wage earners ought to pay their fair share of federal income taxes? Then we agree.

You do realize that you are duped? Brainwashed?

Huh? Do you think government workers are paying down the debt?


Did you add this line just for its amusement value? What does it have to do with anything?


That was a tiring ramble.

You have doubts? In this economy everyone has doubts.

Government workers put more money into circulation than CEOS AND CORPORATE MILLIONARES.

I agree that the bottom half should pay their fair share of federal income taxes just has the top half %wise, the income taxes is based on the income recieved by the individual that is an IRS. matter not mine. I do know that working poor, and unemployed are not in this income bracket some of the lower middle class are not in this income bracket, this is an IRS matter not mine

Duped? Brainwashed? How's that?
For the rich are getting tax cuts if not for paying taxes then why?
Perhaps to put more American workers back to work?
Perhaps to put more money in circulation,maybe start paying on that 15 trillion dollar debt.
You tell me why, because they're paying most of the taxes.
Working lower middle class are paying more taxes than working poor do they get a check for 85 grand each time they pay taxes?

2 QUESTIONS
1Are all government workers exempt from taxes?
2, When government workers get paid do they buy any products from any store in America?


The only things not be outsourced in the line of jobs are lawyers, real estate, hospitals law enforcement.
If you work in one of these no problem, if not think fast food manager, or unemployed.
If corporations can outsource blue collar unskilled labor as well as computer programers and engineers they can outsource your job.

Tiring ramble?, Perhaps a few questions then.
How many corporations are having a profit record breaking year?
How good is the economy?
How great is the money circulating out there on Main Street?
 
That was a fairly fact-free reply. Well, I guess there were xxx facts. :lol:

Here's a fact: GM sells more cars in China than it does in the U.S. Last year GM posted its first profit since 2004. This year it is profitable in all four regions in which it operates.

In May Chrysler reported its first profitable quarter in five years and its new models have been well reviewed.

Although I will stand by the exports of American autos and auto parts compared imports of Foriegn autos and auto parts anytime.
Prove me wrong.

Here's a small question.
GM sells more cars in China than in the U.S., as you said.
Tell me how does this help the American economy?

Another question,
Could it be the Chinese are buying more cars because they have more of their labor force working ?
 
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