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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

Boo Radley said:
Why? There are reasons why lower level earns don't pay. Do you know what they are?
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Absolutely there is a reason so why aren't you addressing that reason instead of going after those already paying over 38% of the tax revenue? Obviously you never ran a business, never penalize your best customer by raising their prices while catering to those who aren't customers.
 
Boo Radley said:
Rasing it would be fair. As I have noted for you before, the wealthy benefit most from government. So, it is fair that they pay more. And that is not class warfare anymore than a customer who gets more service pays for more service.
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Really, the rich benefit more than those who aren't paying anything? If you aren't paying any taxes aren't you getting greater benefit than those who are paying something? Interesting logic on your part. How many rich people are benefiting from unemployment insurance? How many rich people benefited from those Obama tax cuts? How many rich people benefit from the Dept. of education? Just goes to show that you don't really have a clue about the funding for this govt. or the line items in that budget.
 
Conservative said:
Absolutely there is a reason so why aren't you addressing that reason instead of going after those already paying over 38% of the tax revenue? Obviously you never ran a business, never penalize your best customer by raising their prices while catering to those who aren't customers.
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Again, low income earners pay taxes. Plenty of taxes.

It’s true that nearly half of Americans (46%) don’t have any federal income tax liability, but they pay other federal taxes, plus state and local sales and property taxes. In most states, Texas in particular, the progressivity of federal income taxes helps mitigate the regressivity of state and local taxes. (See America’s Tax System Is Not as Progressive as You Think.)

Wisconsin Budget Project: Are Low-Income Households Paying Too Little in Taxes?

You're either from or like Texas, right? Frome the same article:

A short paper by Citizens for Tax Justice points out that the lowest earning fifth of Texans pay a higher percentage of their income for taxes than their counterparts in all but 4 other states. “In other words, Texas has the fifth highest taxes for low-income families.” Other analyses by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) in November 2008 show a marked contrast between the distribution of taxes in Texas and Wisconsin:
•In Texas the top 1% of earners pay 3.3% of their income in state and local taxes, compared to 8.5% of income by the middle fifth of Texas taxpayers, and 12.2% of income by the bottom fifth.
•Wisconsin’s tax distribution is much flatter, with the highest percentage contribution made by middle-income taxpayers. The top 1% of earners pay 8.0% of their income in state and local taxes, compared to 11.2% for the middle fifth, and 9.2% paid by the bottom fifth.
 
Conservative said:
Really, the rich benefit more than those who aren't paying anything? If you aren't paying any taxes aren't you getting greater benefit than those who are paying something? Interesting logic on your part. How many rich people are benefiting from unemployment insurance? How many rich people benefited from those Obama tax cuts? How many rich people benefit from the Dept. of education? Just goes to show that you don't really have a clue about the funding for this govt. or the line items in that budget.
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As noted above, they are paying. But yes, the wealthy benefit more and this has been linked for you before.
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, low income earners pay taxes. Plenty of taxes.

It’s true that nearly half of Americans (46%) don’t have any federal income tax liability, but they pay other federal taxes, plus state and local sales and property taxes. In most states, Texas in particular, the progressivity of federal income taxes helps mitigate the regressivity of state and local taxes. (See America’s Tax System Is Not as Progressive as You Think.)

Wisconsin Budget Project: Are Low-Income Households Paying Too Little in Taxes?

You're either from or like Texas, right? Frome the same article:

A short paper by Citizens for Tax Justice points out that the lowest earning fifth of Texans pay a higher percentage of their income for taxes than their counterparts in all but 4 other states. “In other words, Texas has the fifth highest taxes for low-income families.” Other analyses by the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) in November 2008 show a marked contrast between the distribution of taxes in Texas and Wisconsin:
•In Texas the top 1% of earners pay 3.3% of their income in state and local taxes, compared to 8.5% of income by the middle fifth of Texas taxpayers, and 12.2% of income by the bottom fifth.
•Wisconsin’s tax distribution is much flatter, with the highest percentage contribution made by middle-income taxpayers. The top 1% of earners pay 8.0% of their income in state and local taxes, compared to 11.2% for the middle fifth, and 9.2% paid by the bottom fifth.
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What taxes paid at the state level fund the Federal Govt, which is what Obama is talking about, funding the Federal Govt. not the state govt. Try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss state taxes then start another thread
 
Boo Radley said:
As noted above, they are paying. But yes, the wealthy benefit more and this has been linked for you before.
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That is a lie, but keep saying it. Here are the line items of the Federal Budget, explain to me how the rich benefit more for each line item

Defense 696.1
International Affairs 45.2
Gen. Science, Space 30.9
Energy 11.5
Natural resources/env 41,6
Agriculture 23.2
Commerce -82.9
Transportation 92.5
Community Dev 24.9
Education/Train/Social 125.1
Health 369.0
Medicare 451.6
Income Security 624.0
Social Security 706.7
Veterans Benefits 108.4
Justice 55.2
General Govt. 18.1
Net Interest 196.9
 
Conservative said:
What taxes paid at the state level fund the Federal Govt, which is what Obama is talking about, funding the Federal Govt. not the state govt. Try to stay on topic. If you want to discuss state taxes then start another thread
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Do we ahve to go over the entire tax code for you? Read again:

It’s true that nearly half of Americans (46%) don’t have any federal income tax liability, but they pay other federal taxes, plus state and local sales and property taxes. In most states, Texas in particular, the progressivity of federal income taxes helps mitigate the regressivity of state and local taxes. (See America’s Tax System Is Not as Progressive as You Think.)
 
Conservative said:
The poor and many of the middle class are paying ZERO Federal Income taxes and that is the point.
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That's the point you're focusing on, yes. But the point of the thread is Obama wants to raise revenue to fund a jobs bill by increasing the income tax on the most wealthy of Americans. The wealthy are in a better position right now that the vast majority of Americans. If anyone can easily handle a small increase in income tax, it's the wealthy. Whining about how much the poor and middle class does not pay doesn't change the fact that they are the least able to deal with a tax increase at this time.
If someone earns income in this country they should be paying something in FIT before raising the taxes on those paying the most. I am NOT in that top tax bracket but know the lack of fairness when I see it.
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Can the poor and middle class handle a tax increase right now? I say heck no! Right now, the poor and middle class are starving for jobs and thus the economy is stagnating due to a lack of demand.
Who are you to tell someone else what they need or don't need?
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I'm an American with freedom of speech. You're free to disagree with what I say as I am able to do the same with what you say.
Where is your outrage over how the trillions sent to the bureaucrats being wasted?
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Outrage isn't changing the fact that people need jobs and the best source to fund those jobs are the rich.
 
Boo Radley said:
Do we ahve to go over the entire tax code for you? Read again:

It’s true that nearly half of Americans (46%) don’t have any federal income tax liability, but they pay other federal taxes, plus state and local sales and property taxes. In most states, Texas in particular, the progressivity of federal income taxes helps mitigate the regressivity of state and local taxes. (See America’s Tax System Is Not as Progressive as You Think.)
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WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE THREAD TOPIC? Is that what Obama is talking about when he is talking about raising the taxes on the rich and the rich paying their fair share? Keep ignoring posts that refute your opinion and keep posting information that diverts from the thread topic and what Obama is trying to do.
 
Tettsuo said:
That's the point you're focusing on, yes. But the point of the thread is Obama wants to raise revenue to fund a jobs bill by increasing the income tax on the most wealthy of Americans. The wealthy are in a better position right now that the vast majority of Americans. If anyone can easily handle a small increase in income tax, it's the wealthy. Whining about how much the poor and middle class does not pay doesn't change the fact that they are the least able to deal with a tax increase at this time.

Can the poor and middle class handle a tax increase right now? I say heck no! Right now, the poor and middle class are starving for jobs and thus the economy is stagnating due to a lack of demand.

I'm an American with freedom of speech. You're free to disagree with what I say as I am able to do the same with what you say.

Outrage isn't changing the fact that people need jobs and the best source to fund those jobs are the rich.
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First of all Obama hasn't even submitted the bill to Congress.

Second as I pointed out you don't go after the people paying the most taxes now if you want more revenue. Go after the 65 million INCOME earning Americans that aren't paying anything and put the 25 million unemployed and under employed back to work paying full taxes. Of course they can handle a small increase but why should they and how much will that generate to the Treasury?

You think that penalizing the rich is going ot create more jobs?

You continue to buy the Obama rhetoric and Obama continues to make a fool out of you.
 
Conservative said:
That is a lie, but keep saying it. Here are the line items of the Federal Budget, explain to me how the rich benefit more for each line item

Defense 696.1
International Affairs 45.2
Gen. Science, Space 30.9
Energy 11.5
Natural resources/env 41,6
Agriculture 23.2
Commerce -82.9
Transportation 92.5
Community Dev 24.9
Education/Train/Social 125.1
Health 369.0
Medicare 451.6
Income Security 624.0
Social Security 706.7
Veterans Benefits 108.4
Justice 55.2
General Govt. 18.1
Net Interest 196.9
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Again, do you understand what is being said? Your response once again suggests you don't.

The rich use government services from the courts to airlines to commerce than poor people do. Add in corporate welfare and bailouts, and the wealthy get a staggeringly larger benefit from government than poor people. Corproate welfare alone is like five times more than regular welfare. Overall, it isn't even close. The wealthy benefit most.
 
Conservative said:
WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE THREAD TOPIC? Is that what Obama is talking about when he is talking about raising the taxes on the rich and the rich paying their fair share? Keep ignoring posts that refute your opinion and keep posting information that diverts from the thread topic and what Obama is trying to do.
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It has to do with our conversation, answering YOUR comment. And as the hteread is about taxes, this is also in keeping with the thread topic.
 
The fact of the matter is that most Americans realize that the country is in deep doo doo, that the federal government has dug itself into a spending hole, and has to get out. Getting out is going to require both spending cuts and tax increases, which are going to be a sacrifice for most people.

Obama knows this, too, and also knows that there is an election looming. Is he going to admit that everyone is going to have to pay more in taxes? Of course not. He's going to rant about the "rich", because few of us consider ourselves to be rich. Most of us are, when compared to the average person in most nations, but that's beside the point. He's saying basically, let's raise taxes on the other guy. He's not saying much about spending cuts, that's up to the opposition party.

And what's that opposition party doing? Why, *****footing around the issue and proposing cuts that are much like cutting down a redwood with a penknife, that's what.

No one is addressing this issue in a realistic way, and won't until after the election is over.

Maybe not even then.

It's a lot more fun to rant about how it's the other guy's fault and how we need to tax the other guy than to address the real issues.

Hey! I know! Let's just get rid of the other guy. It's all his fault anyway!
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, do you understand what is being said? Your response once again suggests you don't.

The rich use government services from the courts to airlines to commerce than poor people do. Add in corporate welfare and bailouts, and the wealthy get a staggeringly larger benefit from government than poor people. Corproate welfare alone is like five times more than regular welfare. Overall, it isn't even close. The wealthy benefit most.
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No, you are missing the point, there is nothing in the Federal Expenses that don't go to all yet the rich pay for most of it since 47% don't pay any taxes which fund these line items. Not sure where you get your beliefs but you show what is wrong in this country today, class envy and warfare.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The fact of the matter is that most Americans realize that the country is in deep doo doo, that the federal government has dug itself into a spending hole, and has to get out. Getting out is going to require both spending cuts and tax increases, which are going to be a sacrifice for most people.
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I quite agree!
 
Boo Radley said:
It has to do with our conversation, answering YOUR comment. And as the hteread is about taxes, this is also in keeping with the thread topic.
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My comment was on the rich paying the most in FIT and the 47% of INCOME earners not paying ANy!
 
Conservative said:
No, you are missing the point, there is nothing in the Federal Expenses that don't go to all yet the rich pay for most of it since 47% don't pay any taxes which fund these line items. Not sure where you get your beliefs but you show what is wrong in this country today, class envy and warfare.
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No, the rich benefit most. As they benefit most, they should pay more. And I have linked serveral times from many sources where I get this from. You might consider reading the links on occassion. :coffeepap
 
Conservative said:
So how is raising taxes on the top 1% forcing sacrifice on the other 99% and especially the 47% that aren't paying any FIT?
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The cuts will effect them most. That is their sacrifice, and it will likely hurt them much more than a small increase for the upper income folks.
 
Boo Radley said:
The cuts will effect them most. That is their sacrifice, and it will likely hurt them much more than a small increase for the upper income folks.
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How in the world can you claim that the rich who pay 38% of all the tax revenue are getting more benefits out of the Federal Govt. vs those who aren't paying anything in FIT? that is illogical. If those are getting any benfits they are getting it for free whereas the rich are paying for it.
 
Conservative said:
How in the world can you claim that the rich who pay 38% of all the tax revenue are getting more benefits out of the Federal Govt. vs those who aren't paying anything in FIT? that is illogical. If those are getting any benfits they are getting it for free whereas the rich are paying for it.
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Again, I've explained and linked. Perhaps you can look some of them over, do your own search, and address the point?
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, I've explained and linked. Perhaps you can look some of them over, do your own search, and address the point?
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Nothing you posted refutes the fact that 47% of the income earners in this country pay zero in FIT and nothing refutes the statement of mine as to why you would raise the prices on the best customers the govt. has? You need to try again.
 
1Perry said:
I showed the numbers and it showed that as a nation we give MORE individually than any country gives. At least 34 billion with the closest country outside of the U.S. giving $12.5 billion. Almost three times what the most giving country outside of the U.S., France gives.
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Hmm, I guess I missed that. Can you link me to the post where you posted that?
 
Conservative said:
Nothing you posted refutes the fact that 47% of the income earners in this country pay zero in FIT and nothing refutes the statement of mine as to why you would raise the prices on the best customers the govt. has? You need to try again.
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Nor have I claimed they don't. I have instead showed you why and why the wealthy should pay more. I also showed that the lower income people do pay taxes, and do pay federal taxes, so they do contribute.
 
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