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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

We are paying LESS than any other first world country as a percentage of our GDP. Less total than the EU, less per person than most first world countries, and people are still dying for want of a few pennies who have no way out of it on their own. How is that "enough"? What are you basing your determination of "enough" on?

Not true. That's based only on what the government does. We far, far, far and away give more as individuals than any other country. We prefer to do it ourself as opposed to have the government do it and in that, we far exceed other countries.
 
I wonder just how much of our foreign aid actually gets to the people who can't afford the cost of a cup of coffee?
..i'd wager, very little.
our foreign aid goes to government agencies and some NGO's....not directly to the people who need it most.
 
why don't they pay income taxes?

because they are slackers mainly

but its also due to an idiotic progressive tax code

we need either a consumption tax or flat tax so the slackers cannot constantly vote up the taxes on others
 
So what? Our lower percentage amounts to a higher dollar amount something apparently you cannot understand.

Pay freaking attention or I'm going to stop wasting my time on you. It's insulting and a waste of my time when you continually don't read what I post, yet you reply anyways. Again:

We pay less total than the EU and less per person than most first world countries. Total dollar amounts. Less.

So in your world 45 BILLION Dollars is spent on embassies and foreign diplomats? Prove that internatonal aid isn't foreign aid. I gave you the budget of the U.S. with line times. Where does foreign aid fit in?

Kiddo, it's your claim. You said "international affairs", not aid...
 
Pay freaking attention or I'm going to stop wasting my time on you. It's insulting and a waste of my time when you continually don't read what I post, yet you reply anyways. Again:

We pay less total than the EU and less per person than most first world countries. Total dollar amounts. Less.



Kiddo, it's your claim. You said "international affairs", not aid...

I gave you the link, get someone to help you read it?
 
Not true. That's based only on what the government does. We far, far, far and away give more as individuals than any other country. We prefer to do it ourself as opposed to have the government do it and in that, we far exceed other countries.

Unfortunately private donations are pretty much irrelevant. We do give slightly more than most other countries in private donations, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers nations give. I looked it up before and it didn't even take us up to 0.14% of our GDP total.
 
Definitely it is tough to reach people in some situations. That's just part of the cost. But the cost is still ridiculously low even given that.

and ridiculously high given that a lot of it ends up in the pockets of dictators.
 
Unfortunately private donations are pretty much irrelevant. We do give slightly more than most other countries in private donations, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers nations give. I looked it up before and it didn't even take us up to 0.14% of our GDP total.

As individuals we gave 300 billion in 2006. far and away more than every country combined.

List of most charitable countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Americans give record $295B to charity - USATODAY.com
 
As individuals we gave 300 billion in 2006. far and away more than every country combined.

List of most charitable countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Americans give record $295B to charity - USATODAY.com

No, no. We're talking about charitable contributions to other countries. That's only a tiny fraction of the total charitable contributions we give. Also that counts religious donations as charity. In fact it's the largest category. That's pretty questionable IMO.
 
No, no. We're talking about charitable contributions to other countries. That's only a tiny fraction of the total charitable contributions we give. Also that counts religious donations as charity. In fact it's the largest category. That's pretty questionable IMO.

Questionable? O.K. you can question it. The links note that the U.S. gives roughly 30 billion. Individuals give 300 billion. The arguement was that individual giving doesn't make a dent compared to what the government gives. Even if only 10% of this money goes overseas, we have doubled what the government gives.
 
Questionable? O.K. you can question it. The links note that the U.S. gives roughly 30 billion. Individuals give 300 billion. The arguement was that individual giving doesn't make a dent compared to what the government gives. Even if only 10% of this money goes overseas, we have doubled what the government gives.

Nowhere near 10% goes overseas. Americans are very charitable for sure, but they give near home. Most people everywhere do. That's why government giving is so crucial.

As for religious donations, it isn't that I think they are bad or something, it just isn't "charity" like you think of. They're donating money to the church that they hang out in. It is to enrich their own spiritual lives, not other people's.
 
Getting back to the OP...

1. Corporations are sitting on large piles of cash right now. They are doing this probably because they believe it is the safest short-term investment, moreso than spending it or hiring new workers. How is a tax cut going to do anything more than increase those stockpiles?

2. So we have a debt problem. Why fight it with one hand behind our backs?

3. Why are conservatives in extreme denial over the FACT that the gap between the rich and the poor is widening?
 
Nowhere near 10% goes overseas.

Americans privately give at least $34 billion overseas

Philanthropy Research - foreign aid, charity, Bill Gates, donations, humanitarian relief, NGOs, overseas aid

As for religious donations, it isn't that I think they are bad or something, it just isn't "charity" like you think of. They're donating money to the church that they hang out in. It is to enrich their own spiritual lives, not other people's.

Samaritan's Purse
 
Getting back to the OP...

1. Corporations are sitting on large piles of cash right now. They are doing this probably because they believe it is the safest short-term investment, moreso than spending it or hiring new workers. How is a tax cut going to do anything more than increase those stockpiles?

2. So we have a debt problem. Why fight it with one hand behind our backs?

3. Why are conservatives in extreme denial over the FACT that the gap between the rich and the poor is widening?

Where is the assurance that any increase in revenue will go to deficit reduction? How much revenue to you expect to get from raising the taxes on those evil rich people? Why do you have such passion for raising taxes and giving more money to the politicians that created this mess?

Still waiting for an answer to my post earlier today as to why we need a 3.7 trillion dollar govt, and where are those cuts proposed by Obama, actual cuts?

Businesses have no confidence in this President and aren't going to hire until that confidence is re-earned.
 
Where is the assurance that any increase in revenue will go to deficit reduction? How much revenue to you expect to get from raising the taxes on those evil rich people? Why do you have such passion for raising taxes and giving more money to the politicians that created this mess?

When will you stop beating your wife? That's basically the quality of questions you are asking here. Can you PLEASE stop trolling and attempt to have an honest debate?

Still waiting for an answer to my post earlier today as to why we need a 3.7 trillion dollar govt, and where are those cuts proposed by Obama, actual cuts?

I got back on track per a moderator's directive. Will you do the same?

Businesses have no confidence in this President and aren't going to hire until that confidence is re-earned.

Demand creates jobs. Demand creates jobs. Demand creates jobs. You need to say that over and over again until you get it. The lack of forecasted demand is why businesses aren't hiring. Like his plan or not, that's what Obama is trying to do: Spur the demand and the hiring. If the rich created jobs, and that was that, we would never have been in this mess in the first place.
 
When will you stop beating your wife? That's basically the quality of questions you are asking here. Can you PLEASE stop trolling and attempt to have an honest debate?



I got back on track per a moderator's directive. Will you do the same?



Demand creates jobs. Demand creates jobs. Demand creates jobs. You need to say that over and over again until you get it. The lack of forecasted demand is why businesses aren't hiring. Like his plan or not, that's what Obama is trying to do: Spur the demand and the hiring. If the rich created jobs, and that was that, we would never have been in this mess in the first place.

Demand creates jobs? No question about it, what creates demand is people keeping and spending more of their own money which comes from tax cuts, not tax increases. Govt. doesn't create enough jobs to affect the economy but that is something you don't understand. Who pays those salaries of the govt. employees? This economy has to grow in the private sector, not the public sector and that isn't going to happen with govt interference.
 
Demand creates jobs? No question about it, what creates demand is people keeping and spending more of their own money which comes from tax cuts, not tax increases. Govt. doesn't create enough jobs to affect the economy but that is something you don't understand. Who pays those salaries of the govt. employees? This economy has to grow in the private sector, not the public sector and that isn't going to happen with govt interference.

You complain endlessly about deficits while you argue that we should not increase revenue. In fact you argue for REDUCING revenue, which can only increase deficits. You complain endlessly about unemployment and yet you argue for spending cuts, which increase unemployment.

It's impossible to take you seriously.
 
You complain endlessly about deficits while you argue that we should not increase revenue. In fact you argue for REDUCING revenue, which can only increase deficits. You complain endlessly about unemployment and yet you argue for spending cuts, which increase unemployment.

It's impossible to take you seriously.

Yes, I argue about deficits because i don't believe we need a 3.7 trillion dollar govt. and you have not given me any reason to change tha topinion. Spending causes debt and a growing economy creates more govt. revenue. This empty suit doesn't have a clue how our economy works and how to grow it. Businesses are sitting on the sidelines and will not hire until Obama is fired.
 
Yes, I argue about deficits because i don't believe we need a 3.7 trillion dollar govt. and you have not given me any reason to change tha topinion. Spending causes debt and a growing economy creates more govt. revenue. This empty suit doesn't have a clue how our economy works and how to grow it. Businesses are sitting on the sidelines and will not hire until Obama is fired.

Deficits are a function of spending and revenue. In almost all cases cutting taxes reduces revenue and raising taxes increases revenue. If you don't think that we need to increase tax revenue then you aren't serious about deficits. :shrug:
 
You complain endlessly about deficits while you argue that we should not increase revenue. In fact you argue for REDUCING revenue, which can only increase deficits. You complain endlessly about unemployment and yet you argue for spending cuts, which increase unemployment.

It's impossible to take you seriously.

There are two things that Obama could do right now to be taken seriously.

1. Offer to split the issue by providing an actual in writing bill, with spending cuts that are real and not some baseline veal that won't be enacted due to the fact that he can't control anything congress votes for ten years out.

2. He can bow out gracefully before he gets thrown out in a landslide.

J-mac
 
Offer to split the issue by providing an actual in writing bill, with spending cuts that are real and not some baseline veal that won't be enacted due to the fact that he can't control anything congress votes for ten years out.

Uh, just like 6 weeks ago he proposed $3.6 trillion in spending cuts and only $400 million in closing tax loopholes and the GOP told him to go **** himself because they refused to accept any revenue increases..
 
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