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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

Gill said:
The point is that these regulations cost businesses money and do absolutely no good.

What's their purpose??
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Do you want to return to the Industrial Revolution style of regulation and oversight?
 
Gill said:
OK, I'll revise my comment........... They do almost no good. I'll concede that one person out of a hundred might get tangled in his harness enough to prevent a fall.

Happy now?
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Not really. I am dong some looking into the numbers, and so far I find that falls are a significant problem for roofer's with huge costs. Seems it would be prudent to at least try and help.

So, do you have numbers that show the harness has made no difference in the injury rate?
 
Ikari said:
Do you want to return to the Industrial Revolution style of regulation and oversight?
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No, I want to return to an era of common sense when regulations weren't enacted with no forethought.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not really. I am dong some looking into the numbers, and so far I find that falls are a significant problem for roofer's with huge costs. Seems it would be prudent to at least try and help.

So, do you have numbers that show the harness has made no difference in the injury rate?
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Yes, it would be prudent if the harnesses actually helped. Your numbers are worthless unless you can document the roof slopes involved.
 
Conservative said:
Most corporate welfare is corporations keeping more of what they earn and thus "we" aren't giving them anything that they haven't earned. Tax cuts mean more spendable income and allows people to keep more of what they earn. Liberals don't seem to understand that although I bet most of those are college kids here who are being fed total and complete bs.
Boo Radley said:
You might want to investigate corporate welfare more. I don't think you have it quite right. :coffeepap
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Boo beat me to the response.

BTW, polls show most of the youngsters are right leaning these days. I do agree that is because they are being fed total and complete bs (by right-wing talk and Fox).
 
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Gill said:
No, I want to return to an era of common sense when regulations weren't enacted with no forethought.
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So what sort of regulations would you like to end?
 
Gill said:
Yes, it would be prudent if the harnesses actually helped. Your numbers are worthless unless you can document the roof slopes involved.
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Yet, despite the imminent danger, working at heights without adequate fall protection is fairly commonplace today, especially in the construction industry and, in particular, in roofing and sheet metal work.1 This risky work practice goes far to explain why falls are the leading type of injury and illness in the roofing industry, constituting roughly three-tenths of all its serious cases of injury and illness reported.2


Profiles in safety and health: roofing and sheet metal work (EXCERPT), Monthly Labor Review Online, Sep. 1990

You might also read this:

eLCOSH : Fall Protection: Misconceptions & Myths; Working Within the OSHA System
 
Conservative said:
What about losses? What is the Federal limit on losses? There would be no profit or loss if someone didn't take risk. Why should someone be penalized for taking risk?
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Just my humble opinion, but taxes are more akin to chores than to punishment.
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
Boo beat me to the response.

BTW, polls show most of the youngsters are right leaning these days. I do agree that is because they are being fed total and complete bs (by right-wing talk and Fox).
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That's not true. Young people, especially college kids are overwhelmingly liberal.
 
Boo Radley said:
Yet, despite the imminent danger, working at heights without adequate fall protection is fairly commonplace today, especially in the construction industry and, in particular, in roofing and sheet metal work.1 This risky work practice goes far to explain why falls are the leading type of injury and illness in the roofing industry, constituting roughly three-tenths of all its serious cases of injury and illness reported.2


Profiles in safety and health: roofing and sheet metal work (EXCERPT), Monthly Labor Review Online, Sep. 1990

You might also read this:

eLCOSH : Fall Protection: Misconceptions & Myths; Working Within the OSHA System
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I'll bet the people that wrote these articles have never tripped over safety lines, or more likely ever worn one. In any case, I'm exempt from wearing one and never do.
 
Gill said:
I'll bet the people that wrote these articles have never tripped over safety lines, or more likely ever worn one. In any case, I'm exempt from wearing one and never do.
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Maybe, maybe not. Can't say. But I can say most of what I read says it helps with those who use it properly, while not completely eliminating risk. perhaps you can help by presenting somethig that would work better? it might help your employer and make you a fwew bucks. However, the point here is it is an effort to help and seems to have helped some. If you have numbers that show it a complete failure, present them.
 
Boo Radley said:
Maybe, maybe not. Can't say. But I can say most of what I read says it helps with those who use it properly, while not completely eliminating risk. perhaps you can help by presenting somethig that would work better? it might help your employer and make you a fwew bucks. However, the point here is it is an effort to help and seems to have helped some. If you have numbers that show it a complete failure, present them.
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As I said, we don't have to wear them when we go on roofs. My numbers are from my observations of workers with enough slack in their safety lines to hit the ground twice. They don't wear them properly because they are cumbersome, a trip hazard, and prevent them from moving more than a few feet. I'll be surprised if falls decrease after a year of this new regulation.
 
Gill said:
As I said, we don't have to wear them when we go on roofs. My numbers are from my observations of workers with enough slack in their safety lines to hit the ground twice. They don't wear them properly because they are cumbersome, a trip hazard, and prevent them from moving more than a few feet. I'll be surprised if falls decrease after a year of this new regulation.
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You do realize, as hard as it is to consider, your own obsevations can be just as likely wrong as right. I mean it's possible you're wrong. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
You do realize, as hard as it is to consider, your own obsevations can be just as likely wrong as right. I mean it's possible you're wrong. ;)
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Sorry, but I'll take my own observations for over 30 years over a brochure linked to at a discussion board.
 
Gill said:
Sorry, but I'll take my own observations for over 30 years over a brochure linked to at a discussion board.
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I always love someone cherry picking one link; however, it is still possible you are wrong and the brochure is correct. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
I always love someone cherry picking one link; however, it is still possible you are wrong and the brochure is correct. ;)
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True, and its also possible that you are an alien from Mars.
 
Boo Radley said:
You might want to investigate corporate welfare more. I don't thiink you have it quite right. :coffeepap
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Yes I do have it right, the only corporate welfare in the form of checks is to the agriculture farmers who are paid to control supply. Everything else is tax deductions
 
Conservative said:
Yes I do have it right, the only corporate welfare in the form of checks is to the agriculture farmers who are paid to control supply. Everything else is tax deductions
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That would be incorrect. Sorry. :coffeepap
 
haymarket said:
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but are you not the person who got a big refund for an amount greater than you paid in last year or possible the year before that one?
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You're definitely mistaken. I haven't received a single refund from the IRS, since I've owned my own business.
 
liblady said:
pish. so what? a person making 250 k will be affected very little, really. it's the effective tax rate, silly.


Tax Rate Schedule X, Internal Revenue Code section 1(c)]
10% on taxable income from $0 to $8,500, plus
15% on taxable income over $8,500 to $34,500, plus
25% on taxable income over $34,500 to $83,600, plus
28% on taxable income over $83,600 to $174,400, plus
33% on taxable income over $174,400 to $379,150, plus
35% on taxable income over $379,150.
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So what? So what if I can't afford to pay more taxes? What happened to looking out for the little guy?
 
All I got to say is, that's a LOTTA money...
 
Boo Radley said:
You must being doing something wrong to pay too much on 40K. When I was making that and less, I did better. And You might check with an accountant because here our business folks find all kinds of breaks (we help them here at the college).
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Aren't you the same guy that suggested we do away with all tax deductions and tax businesses on their gross revenue?



Also, Obama has suggested ways in which small business can reduce their taxes, you might look that up as well.
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I gotta better idea. Why don't you post it for us, because I doubt Obama said anything like that, unless he was suggesting that businesses make less money which would be par for his dumbass.
 
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