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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If someone works for the government they have a government job. We do not want more government workers. We want less government workers. If the government buys a good or a service the government did not create a job or put people back to work. It bought a good or service. The company providing the good or service created the job. Not the government.
    If you have a dollar in your pocket and you decide to buy something you are not creating jobs. You are buying something. The company that created the thing you bought created the job.
    There is little practical difference if the private contractor gets all or most of its work from the government.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is little practical difference if the private contractor gets all or most of its work from the government.
    yeah there is, if its services are not needed the tax payers aren't on the hook



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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah there is, if its services are not needed the tax payers aren't on the hook
    So they go out of business, and the next time those services are needed the taxpayers are on the hook to train another contractor to do the same work ... while paying for the defunct contractor's employees' unemployment/welfare/retraining.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

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    Yes. The government has no business "putting people back to work." That is not what government is for.
    Even the rightwing republicans don't believe that


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. The government has no business "putting people back to work." That is not what government is for.
    If I don't loan a person money their business is their business.
    If I loan a person money their bussiness becomes my business.

    The government bailed out corporations .
    The corporations business becomes the government's business.
    If corporations don't want government in their business leave government alone , stop asking for bailouts, stop asking for grants, stop asking for tax cuts.
    If government could start setting up factories and building products made by American workers in America for American workers they could not only compete with private corporations they could make a profit while private corporations sales would go down..

    Tax revenue is needed by the government hireing American workers that pay taxes will get more tax revenue.
    Cheap foriegn workers do not pay American taxes.
    American workers pay American taxes.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    A lot of those Japanese cars are made in America. My Honda was built in Marysville, Ohio. My Chevy Impala, on the other hand, was built in Canada. It was a piece of ***, too, not because it was built in Canada, but because it was poorly designed and had multiple mechanical failures.

    Somewhere, I read that America produces 20 lawyers for every engineer, while Japan produces 20 engineers for every lawyer. I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes a lot of sense. Who wants a car designed by lawyers?
    You have made my point sir,
    America has outsourced engineers, electricians,computer programers ,right down the line.

    To say there are no good engineers or no good labor force in America, or none that can be taught.
    Is like saying there are no comunist in China.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do not believe you actually know the difference, do you?
    There's a lot of unemployed people out here that don't care about the "differance" they care about jobs.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The difference between what two elements?

    But even if government simply buys planes from Boeing, the government is putting the people who build those planes to work; same as government would be putting construction people to work if it hires private contractors to build and repair bridges.

    If you cut taxes and shrink government you are cutting jobs. While private sector jobs have been created lately (not as strong as it should be), those gains have been offset by massive layoffs in state and local governments.
    So outsourceing played no part in this, 9+ unemployment% played no part in this ,43% that haven't worked in 6 months played no part in this?

    Question; Who's building the parts that goes on the planes of Boeing?
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If someone works for the government they have a government job. We do not want more government workers. We want less government workers. If the government buys a good or a service the government did not create a job or put people back to work. It bought a good or service. The company providing the good or service created the job. Not the government.
    If you have a dollar in your pocket and you decide to buy something you are not creating jobs. You are buying something. The company that created the thing you bought created the job.
    Let me get this straight , you are asking for less government workers who pay no taxes, we already have a lot less private workers paying no taxes, we have the working poor not paying taxes, we have tax cuts for the rich because they pay taxes.
    Sooo, about this 15 trillion dollar debt, about the loan to China for 93, milllion and other debt, who's going to pay that?
    If you are unemployed and your last unemployment check is on it's way, the dollar you have in your pocket you might want to keep.

    As far as buying American products not creating jobs.
    That takes a lot of guilt off the growing American consumer that are buying foriegn products.
    That old "be a patriot buy American" kinda left with the jobs anyway.
    So to the American corporations that want to sell their products; I say BON CHANCE, GOOD LUCK IN FORIEGN COUNTRIES WITH FORIEGN CONSUMERS..
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There is little practical difference if the private contractor gets all or most of its work from the government.
    Wow!

    I cannot understand how little people know about things.
    When it is a government job the government, meaning the half of us that pay the taxes, are on the hook for pay, benefits, health care, and retirement. That sucking sound you hear is cash being sucked out of taxpayer wallets.
    When it is a private job the individual is on the hook.

    When I buy software my liability extends only to the price of the software. If I amply the software engineer my liability extends much further.

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