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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Living beyond our means, putting everything on the credit card, then paying minimums didn't work out so well, did it? Lots of people used the equity in their houses to pay off those credit cards, then kept living beyond their means. We know the results of that sort of economy.

    But, how is it better to live on our collective MasterCard by allowing the federal government to continue to spend beyond its means? Are we just trading individual debt for collective debt? I like the individual plan better, as I was able to opt out and only buy what I needed all along. There is no way to opt out of the federal debt that I know of.
    If the government spends money to bailout corporations that might make it nobody does nothing
    If the government spends money on putting people back to work that might work, people got a problem with that?
    Look at it this way, at least no unemployed person will get a bonus for being unemployed and going broke.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    If the government spends money on putting people back to work that might work, people got a problem with that?
    Yes. The government has no business "putting people back to work." That is not what government is for.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yes. The government has no business "putting people back to work." That is not what government is for.
    So whose responsibility is it to improve the electrical grid, repair the interstate system, defend the country? Or do we just get robots to do that?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    American manufacturing labor for auto parts left America with outsourceing.
    As far as Americans stop buying car scenerio?
    They might stop buying American cars but they have already done that in a lot of areas.
    #1 car sales Japan
    #1 used car sales Japan
    Japan has a strong labor and management Manufacturing base.
    China has a stromg managementand manufacturing base.
    America does not
    Which country has had the most progress in the past 11 years?
    A lot of those Japanese cars are made in America. My Honda was built in Marysville, Ohio. My Chevy Impala, on the other hand, was built in Canada. It was a piece of ***, too, not because it was built in Canada, but because it was poorly designed and had multiple mechanical failures.

    Somewhere, I read that America produces 20 lawyers for every engineer, while Japan produces 20 engineers for every lawyer. I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes a lot of sense. Who wants a car designed by lawyers?
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    So whose responsibility is it to improve the electrical grid, repair the interstate system, defend the country? Or do we just get robots to do that?
    I do not believe you actually know the difference, do you?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do not believe you actually know the difference, do you?
    The difference between what two elements?

    But even if government simply buys planes from Boeing, the government is putting the people who build those planes to work; same as government would be putting construction people to work if it hires private contractors to build and repair bridges.

    If you cut taxes and shrink government you are cutting jobs. While private sector jobs have been created lately (not as strong as it should be), those gains have been offset by massive layoffs in state and local governments.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    The difference between what two elements?

    But even if government simply buys planes from Boeing, the government is putting the people who build those planes to work; same as government would be putting construction people to work if it hires private contractors to build and repair bridges.

    If you cut taxes and shrink government you are cutting jobs. While private sector jobs have been created lately (not as strong as it should be), those gains have been offset by massive layoffs in state and local governments.
    The difference between contracting for a service and creating government jobs for starters.

    It can get muddy at the local level where governments do run some monopolies.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    The difference between contracting for a service and creating government jobs for starters.

    It can get muddy at the local level where governments do run some monopolies.
    I do not believe you have any familiarity with the history of the US. Never mind. It is not worth my time to try to get through to you. I believe you are beyond repair.
    No. It's not worth my time, because you clearly get all your information from talk radio and Fox News and thus - like many "conservatives" - you are immune to facts because they don't fit your propaganda-created worldview.

    If someone works for government, they have a job. If you lay them off, they are now unemployed, therefore - you have eliminated a job. If you cut government, you are cutting jobs. If the government stops buying planes from Boeing, people who work for Boeing will not have jobs.

    These are simple and obvious facts. You can argue the efficiency of government spending, but when government hires people or contracts with people, jobs are created. It's really not that hard to understand.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post

    If someone works for government, they have a job. If you lay them off, they are now unemployed, therefore - you have eliminated a job.
    If someone works for the government they have a government job. We do not want more government workers. We want less government workers. If the government buys a good or a service the government did not create a job or put people back to work. It bought a good or service. The company providing the good or service created the job. Not the government.
    If you have a dollar in your pocket and you decide to buy something you are not creating jobs. You are buying something. The company that created the thing you bought created the job.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    American manufacturing labor for auto parts left America with outsourceing.
    As far as Americans stop buying car scenerio?
    They might stop buying American cars but they have already done that in a lot of areas.
    #1 car sales Japan
    #1 used car sales Japan
    Japan has a strong labor and management Manufacturing base.
    China has a stromg managementand manufacturing base.
    America does not
    Which country has had the most progress in the past 11 years?
    GM recently surpassed Toyota as the world's largest auto seller. GM, Chrysler, and Ford are all doing pretty well.

    South Korea is the real tiger in the auto world, with Kia and Hyundai rapidly improving both quality and sales.

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