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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is there the little green emoticon at the end of a rather ridiculous and terrible unfunny statement?
    I think he is laughing at the incredible ineptness of boy blunder-Obumble the magic Kenyan



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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    What you do not seem to get is that WORK RULES are more of a reason why unions have fallen out of favor. You want to make this about wages only which I think you know is untrue.

    Work rules are like government regulations. By that I mean we certainly need some so business does not get out of control. However it is also important to understand that we need sensible regulations or work rules, make sure that we make sure the rules are followed. But if in the case of business it creates to much featherbedding then it works for neither the company nor the worker long term.
    I get that completely, but the anger is misguided. Negoiate better. Much of those work rules were given in lue of pay. This was business' way of saying I don't want to pay more. And yet, the venom always seems to be spewed in one direction.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Aww, don't get snarky professor....It doesn't suit you well. The fact remains that UAW bloat, and golden pension systems are strangling the company. Unions are for that part of the work force that could never succeed on their own without protection.

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    jealous, right? let me tell you something.....the workers who retire after working the line for 30 deserve every penny they get. the company contracted with those workers, period.

    and you absolutely have no ****ing clue what you're talking if you think all union workers couldn't succeed without the union. in fact, some of them are pretty smart......working hard but for a pension and health benefits when they retire.
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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Interesting. Based on your arguments I believe you would have opposed the first American revolution. I know you will oppose the second one. But that is where your arguments ultimately take us. If there is not redress, of there is no stepping back from disaster then disaster will come.
    It was conservatives of the time who wanted the status quo, it was the liberals who sought revolution.


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    That is his goal. It is a tenet of Marxism to wreck capitalism with steeply progressive taxation. Guess what the one term Marxist president continues to propose?

    Socialist utopia can only come after all are made uniformly miserable. The dictatorship of the proles will endure forever.
    It was the Wall Street gang who brought our economy to near collapse, just like in 1929.


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First of all, this opinion that you have posted from Media Matters of all places, is the view of the liberal progressive left in this country, and we know that. Nothing new in that, and nothing to back up their assertion that Cap Gains cuts, or Corporate tax relief would only be short term, in fact just the opposite.



    The CBO, although being quoted in true cherry pick fashion by both sides, is as a matter of actual fact often wrong in their assertions due to the fact that the way they are set up to score certain things boxes them in to only the information that any given side of the argument gives them, and can not make their own true evaluation through independent research.

    Now, Media Matters well known for cherry picking, and completely out of context argument purposely swayed against anything not in the progressive wheelhouse is disconcerting that anyone would post from them honestly.

    It would be to me like taking something from an opinion based right wing source, and passing it off as fact based, like say from the American Thinker. I like their articles, but they are opinion, and should be represented as such.

    The other end of that argument that I detest these days is the fallacy of the infallable un named generalization. So before you throw out there that "many", or "most" agree with ANYTHING you have to type in defense of your class war division of this country, know that it is crap before you start.

    So stick to facts, and we will all be better for it....Thanks.

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    The Tax Foundation - Obama and Gibson Capital Gains Tax Exchange


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    remind me of your experience and dealing with capital gains income PB
    The Tax Foundation - Obama and Gibson Capital Gains Tax Exchange


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    if making a good wage and getting decent benefits is 'mediocre'...ok, i'm cool with that....UAW AND PROUD OF IT
    Conservative/libertarians think low wages make a thriving economy - it does just the opposite.


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Conservative/libertarians think low wages make a thriving economy - it does just the opposite.
    nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

    unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas



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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I think he is laughing at the incredible ineptness of boy blunder-Obumble the magic Kenyan
    President Barack Obama is neither a "boy" nor a Kenyan.

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