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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

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    Notice that you're addressing anything. You've been asked questions and have not answered. I think you know better.
    I'm imitating you.... can't you tell??

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's debatable. But it is the only way you will get business to stay. Being so scared that you appease them like they were gods is not the way to fix our problems. Business and workers have to find a way to be mutually beneficial to each other. Both need a voice at the table. With all their problems, unions are still the best way to have some weight behind the emplyee voice.
    At one time that was probably true, however, in today's market the only benefit I can actually say they provide their workers is that job security that others don't have, but they do it at the expense of future generation have the opportunity of having that job due to the fact that todays union thugs act more like petulant children screaming mine, mine, mine, and more, more, more....

    They are the new dinosaur that is on its way out.


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

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    I'm imitating you.... can't you tell??
    Hardly. I answer. You don't. California having illegals doesn't disprove Texas luring in illegals. It's a silly logical leap on your part. I have answered that twice now. You? Still waiting.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's debatable. But it is the only way you will get business to stay. Being so scared that you appease them like they were gods is not the way to fix our problems. Business and workers have to find a way to be mutually beneficial to each other. Both need a voice at the table. With all their problems, unions are still the best way to have some weight behind the emplyee voice.
    Unions clearly were a benefit until they became a hindrance. Pendulums seem to swing to far in either direction. The problem seems to be less about salary and benefits and more about work rules. The new Boeing plant in SC as I understand it paid essentially the same think as the union plant.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hardly. I answer. You don't. California having illegals doesn't disprove Texas luring in illegals. It's a silly logical leap on your part. I have answered that twice now. You? Still waiting.
    Thanks !!! you gave me my laffer for the day, but you do owe me for a keyboard since I spit my coffee all over mine.

    You NEVER answer, you obfuscate, change the subject, bring up strawmen, and accuse others of doing exactly what you do. And besides that, you obviously are having problems following discussions as evidenced by your comments above.

    In other words, you have become one of the most hyperpartisan hacks on this board.

    Now, I'm done trying to reason with you........it's a waste of time.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    At one time that was probably true, however, in today's market the only benefit I can actually say they provide their workers is that job security that others don't have, but they do it at the expense of future generation have the opportunity of having that job due to the fact that todays union thugs act more like petulant children screaming mine, mine, mine, and more, more, more....

    They are the new dinosaur that is on its way out.


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    That's your opinion, but even job security in today's world is worth something. Giving busniess all the cards will not make things better. Again, the only way to appease business enough, espeically big busniess, is to work for nothing, do away with benefits, and pay them to stay. There's a book by a former Michigna governor I heard about last, showing that giving business everything didn't work. They left anyway. But, I'll look for that later.

    The fact is demonizing workers who tried to work together to make things better, while ignoring the greed and poor decisions of business says somethign about the person doing that than it does unions. Tone it down a bit. Quit seeing everyone who sees it differently as the enemy or crooks or any other such label.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Thanks !!! you gave me my laffer for the day, but you do owe me for a keyboard since I spit my coffee all over mine.

    You NEVER answer, you obfuscate, change the subject, bring up strawmen, and accuse others of doing exactly what you do. And besides that, you obviously are having problems following discussions as evidenced by your comments above.

    In other words, you have become one of the most hyperpartisan hacks on this board.
    I point again to the answer. Are you saying if it is not the one you want, that would say you're right, then you won't count it as an answer? Seriously, you want to go with that?


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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Making a "good wage" at the expense of expanded job force, and a current employee pool that works to the least productive level without fear of losing their job is what produced this turd
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    Yes, in some ways unions have become beasts. But is it any worse than the corporate beast that will keep you on just right before they would have to pay some pension or retirement and then let you go?

    Seems you are just wanting to tie up one beast and let the other one roam around destroying things in different ways.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's your opinion, but even job security in today's world is worth something. Giving busniess all the cards will not make things better. Again, the only way to appease business enough, espeically big busniess, is to work for nothing, do away with benefits, and pay them to stay. There's a book by a former Michigna governor I heard about last, showing that giving business everything didn't work. They left anyway. But, I'll look for that later.

    The fact is demonizing workers who tried to work together to make things better, while ignoring the greed and poor decisions of business says somethign about the person doing that than it does unions. Tone it down a bit. Quit seeing everyone who sees it differently as the enemy or crooks or any other such label.
    What you do not seem to get is that WORK RULES are more of a reason why unions have fallen out of favor. You want to make this about wages only which I think you know is untrue.

    Work rules are like government regulations. By that I mean we certainly need some so business does not get out of control. However it is also important to understand that we need sensible regulations or work rules, make sure that we make sure the rules are followed. But if in the case of business it creates to much featherbedding then it works for neither the company nor the worker long term.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How the hell does Obama know how high is too high?
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