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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Name one department that you do not think is authorized by the constitution and I'll happily point you to the passage that it draws it's authority from. That's just one of those things tea party types say, it isn't like it's true or anything.
    No. It would be an exercise in futility. You believe that all of them are Constitutional. Nothing I could say or do would convince you. I shall not waste my time.

    But the bureaucratic branch is the reason we are doomed.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. It would be an exercise in futility. You believe, that all of them are Constitutional. Nothing I could say or do would convince you. I shall not waste my time.

    But the bureaucratic branch is the reason we are doomed.
    a little law school is a dangerous thing. many departments have no proper constitutional authorization and piss on the Tenth Amendment



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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Where did the President of the United States lie?
    Are you kidding or serious?

    When the US President said "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million" he is either lying or seriously misinformed. Personally I think he was lying deliberately and hoped his followers would believe him without ever really thinking about what he was saying.

    The tax rates for someone making $50 million a year is much higher than the tax rates for someone making $50,000 a year. It's called "The Progressive Income Tax" and was first introduced in 1862.

    Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
    10% Bracket $0 – $17,000 $0 – $8,500
    15% Bracket $17,001 – $69,000 $8,501 – $34,500
    25% Bracket $69,001 – $139,350 $34,501 – $83,600
    28% Bracket $139,351 – $212,300 $83,601 – $174,400
    33% Bracket $212,301 – $379,150 $174,401 – $379,150
    35% Bracket Over $379,150 Over $379,150

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. It would be an exercise in futility. You believe that all of them are Constitutional. Nothing I could say or do would convince you. I shall not waste my time.

    But the bureaucratic branch is the reason we are doomed.
    If you can't back up your claim that all these departments are unconstitutional you should stop saying that.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If you can't back up your claim that all these departments are unconstitutional you should stop saying that.
    the burden is always upon the statists to prove constitutionality, not the other way around



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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you kidding or serious?

    When the US President said "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million" he is either lying or seriously misinformed. Personally I think he was lying deliberately and hoped his followers would believe him without ever really thinking about what he was saying.

    The tax rates for someone making $50 million a year is much higher than the tax rates for someone making $50,000 a year. It's called "The Progressive Income Tax" and was first introduced in 1862.

    Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
    10% Bracket $0 – $17,000 $0 – $8,500
    15% Bracket $17,001 – $69,000 $8,501 – $34,500
    25% Bracket $69,001 – $139,350 $34,501 – $83,600
    28% Bracket $139,351 – $212,300 $83,601 – $174,400
    33% Bracket $212,301 – $379,150 $174,401 – $379,150
    35% Bracket Over $379,150 Over $379,150
    Somebody making $50 million isn't making $50 million in wages... That's the chart for wages...

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the burden is always upon the statists to prove constitutionality, not the other way around
    Like I said, name a department you think is suspect and I will happily prove it is authorized in the constitution. It's not like it's hard...

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you kidding or serious?

    When the US President said "It is wrong that in the United States of America, a teacher or a nurse or a construction worker who earns $50,000 should pay higher tax rates than somebody pulling in $50 million" he is either lying or seriously misinformed. Personally I think he was lying deliberately and hoped his followers would believe him without ever really thinking about what he was saying.

    The tax rates for someone making $50 million a year is much higher than the tax rates for someone making $50,000 a year. It's called "The Progressive Income Tax" and was first introduced in 1862.

    Tax Bracket Married Filing Jointly Single
    10% Bracket $0 – $17,000 $0 – $8,500
    15% Bracket $17,001 – $69,000 $8,501 – $34,500
    25% Bracket $69,001 – $139,350 $34,501 – $83,600
    28% Bracket $139,351 – $212,300 $83,601 – $174,400
    33% Bracket $212,301 – $379,150 $174,401 – $379,150
    35% Bracket Over $379,150 Over $379,150
    Look, I agree with your position but stop me where I'm wrong as I'm not a tax lawyer. $50K in income is 15% correct? $50 million in capital gains income is 15%, correct? So they pay the same rate.

    Both arguements would be wrong unless I have my figures wrong.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    education for one
    Oh, look, you already did. Obviously that's a super easy one. The department of education has no powers, so it's own operation doesn't require any powers. Congress had to spend to create it, but of course that is the very first enumerated power (art 1, sect 8, cl 1), so they're all good.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Oh, look, you already did. Obviously that's a super easy one. The department of education has no powers, so it's own operation doesn't require any powers. Congress had to spend to create it, but of course that is the very first enumerated power (art 1, sect 8, cl 1), so they're all good.
    wrong, that provision does not authorize such things. try again



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