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Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

Goldenboy219 said:
I would like to point to the fact that the U.S. has (by far) one of the most independent economies on the planet. Yes, we might import more than any other nation on a nominal basis, but such comparisons do not reflect the nature of trade. The U.S. imports less than 15% of GDP, which is far far less than any other industrial nation in the world outside of Japan. But when you take into consideration Japan's export sensitivity in regards to output, the U.S. enjoys a greater independence (that is not to say we are completely independent).

So can the whole "we are exporting all our jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
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Sure I'll stop the "nonsense" of asking for more jobs back which means more tax revenue.
Just as soon as that 15 trillion dollar debt is paid.
Just as soon as we pay China the 93 million we owe them.
Just as soon as our exports match our imports, you might like servants as for me I like to take care of stuff myself.
I'm sure there's a lot of Americans out there pretty much feel the same way.

FYI you can start on the 15 trillion , if you can get the boys in D.C.to stop printing money long enough.
Post me when you're ready.
 
Misterveritis said:
Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons. A company that has gone out of business does not bid on any contracts including sole sourced ones.
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Well, well and here I though I was being ignored, that's party politics for ya.
Republicans storm off in a huff saying never again and come back
Democrats start in a huff and never leave.
Independents just adapt and survive.lol

Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons?
Having the vice president of the U.S. as a close personal friend to the CEO of the company just might help get no bid contracts, MAYBE??? The word Haliburtian comes to mind.
 
presluc said:
Sure I'll stop the "nonsense" of asking for more jobs back which means more tax revenue.
Just as soon as that 15 trillion dollar debt is paid.
Just as soon as we pay China the 93 million we owe them.
Just as soon as our exports match our imports, you might like servants as for me I like to take care of stuff myself.
I'm sure there's a lot of Americans out there pretty much feel the same way.

FYI you can start on the 15 trillion , if you can get the boys in D.C.to stop printing money long enough.
Post me when you're ready.
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Ok.... Now that you have that off your chest, maybe you can address my post?!?!
 
presluc said:
Well, well and here I though I was being ignored, that's party politics for ya.
Republicans storm off in a huff saying never again and come back
Democrats start in a huff and never leave.
Independents just adapt and survive.lol

Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons?
Having the vice president of the U.S. as a close personal friend to the CEO of the company just might help get no bid contracts, MAYBE??? The word Haliburtian comes to mind.
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I did say I was going to ignore you for a while. Many of your posts are borderline unintelligible.

Pulling out Halliburton is not going to help you. Is your imagination so small, so limited, that you could not imagine that a Congress under the complete control of Democrats who hated President Bush, would not have exposed any wrongdoing if there were any to be exposed?

Try again. Only this time with imagination.

Oh yeah. Try to write clearly. Put some thought into it.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Ok.... Now that you have that off your chest, maybe you can address my post?!?!
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I thought I did adress your post.

So can the whole "we are exporting all are jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
These are your words are they not?

Now as for the other part of the post don't mean to rain on your optimistic veiw, pal.
However all that talk about independent economies and GDP, and reguards to output the U.S. enjoys a greater independance is just that TALK.

For the things you overlook are the following
The Stock Market is currently like a seesaw up 300 points , a week later down 200 points UNCERTAINTY
The finance of loans not going well banks have tightened loan regulations UNCERTAINTY
The job reports for August was zero no jobs lost but no jobs added which like it or not effects supply and demand in America which means UNCERTAINTY.
In my humble opinion it is most difficult to have the most independant economies in the world, if Americans remains with an uncertain outcome, most difficult indeed.

Then there is also the two trillion deficit,plus the debt.:peace
 
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presluc said:
I thought I did adress your post.

So can the whole "we are exporting all are jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
These are your words are they not?
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And all you did was spew opinionated drivel which is not a valid substitute for a valid argument.

Now as for the other part of the post don't mean to rain on your optimistic veiw, pal.
However all that talk about independent economies and GDP, and reguards to output the U.S. enjoys a greater independance is just that TALK.
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It is a fact. Look up how much the U.S. imports as a % of their total output vs every other industrialized nation. The only country with a lower rate of imports is Japan; however, their consistent current account surplus suggests their economy is highly dependent on exports.

For the things you overlook are the following
The Stock Market is currently like a seesaw up 300 points , a week later down 200 points UNCERTAINTY
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Ok. I'm not exactly sure how this is a valid response to anything i have stated.

The finance of loans not going well banks have tightened loan regulations UNCERTAINTY
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What? Banks have "tightened loan regulations" does not even make sense. How about..... banks are not lending?! None the less, this statement does not address my post in the least bit.

The job reports for August was zero no jobs lost but no jobs added which like it or not effects supply and demand in America which means UNCERTAINTY.
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Ok.... But how does this in any way address what i have stated?

In my humble opinion it is most difficult to have the most independant economies in the world, if Americans remains with an uncertain outcome, most difficult indeed.

Then there is also the two trillion deficit,plus the debt.:peace
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An uninformed opinion is still uninformed.
 
Misterveritis said:
I did say I was going to ignore you for a while. Many of your posts are borderline unintelligible.

Pulling out Halliburton is not going to help you. Is your imagination so small, so limited, that you could not imagine that a Congress under the complete control of Democrats who hated President Bush, would not have exposed any wrongdoing if there were any to be exposed?




Try again. Only this time with imagination.

Oh yeah. Try to write clearly. Put some thought into it.
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You speak of intelligence Icould not have posted more clearly.
QUOTE "Having the Vice President of the U.S. as a personal friend of the CEO of a company just "might" help get a "no bid contract, "MAYBE"? The word Haliburtian comes to mind.

I need no imagination I suppose this "may" have been the only thing the Democratic Congress and the Republican White House staff that agreed on the reason simple; money and power a little inside trading.

If you think I am insulted by your attacks on the Democrats think again.
Both Republicans and Democrats and all splinter groups are at fault here.
The right goes to the extreme right, the Left goes to the extreme left
Neither moves

The moderates are an endangered species
That leaves the independants which do not care about party lines or hardcore right or left.
They care for America.

If a Republican stands for more jobs in America "which by the way is a #1 priorty in America" I will stand with them, if a Democrat stands for more jobs in America I will stand with them.
As for Liberals and Tea Party members they have to show me something besides the blame game and pointing fingures.

I do not know how much clearly I can write.
For if you do not understand that, you are either a hardline right wing member or???
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
And all you did was spew opinionated drivel which is not a valid substitute for a valid argument.



It is a fact. Look up how much the U.S. imports as a % of their total output vs every other industrialized nation. The only country with a lower rate of imports is Japan; however, their consistent current account surplus suggests their economy is highly dependent on exports.



Ok. I'm not exactly sure how this is a valid response to anything i have stated.



What? Banks have "tightened loan regulations" does not even make sense. How about..... banks are not lending?! None the less, this statement does not address my post in the least bit.



Ok.... But how does this in any way address what i have stated?



An uninformed opinion is still uninformed.
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I care not for long post so I'll make this short and sweet.

1, I do not care for other industrialized nations I care for America's economy that is where I live.

2. The job reports come through Wall street that would seem important to me.
Also less jobs means less consumers which means less Demand more Supply, you being all about business should know what that means

McCain in August of 2008 said America has a strong economy.
You say America has the most independant economies in the world.
Same song differant tune., same ending.
 
presluc said:
I care not for long post so I'll make this short and sweet.

1, I do not care for other industrialized nations I care for America's economy that is where I live.

2. The job reports come through Wall street that would seem important to me.
Also less jobs means less consumers which means less Demand more Supply, you being all about business should know what that means

McCain in August of 2008 said America has a strong economy.
You say America has the most independant economies in the world.
Same song differant tune., same ending.
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Your response in no way addresses my previous statement regarding imports and outsourcing. It amazes me when people attempt to substitute incoherent rants for an actual argument.
 
Misterveritis said:
This is one of the reasons I do not like you. I can take nothing you report at face value. You are untrustworthy.


http://bit.ly/qtKm00Brownback, a Republican, also said that reforming the state's regulatory and legal framework for the agriculture industry would attract new investment to Kansas. He said his administration would soon announce proposals for lowering the top rate of the state income tax, The Topeka Capital Journal reported.​
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Nothing in your post addresses the fact that even rightwing politicians support govt welfare for businesses
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Your response in no way addresses my previous statement regarding imports and outsourcing. It amazes me when people attempt to substitute incoherent rants for an actual argument.
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What amazes me is people walking around in America a bad economy that seems to be getting worse and saying how great things are in America.

Take off the rose collared glaases pal, the American economy is down, real estate is down, jobs are down.
Maybe in D.C. and Wall street times are good well sometimes but on Main street?

If any atempt to help stimulate this economy and create more jobs is blocked by either party there will be consequences.
Which party helps the people on Main street is key.
People on Main street vote.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
I would like to point to the fact that the U.S. has (by far) one of the most independent economies on the planet. Yes, we might import more than any other nation on a nominal basis, but such comparisons do not reflect the nature of trade. The U.S. imports less than 15% of GDP, which is far far less than any other industrial nation in the world outside of Japan. But when you take into consideration Japan's export sensitivity in regards to output, the U.S. enjoys a greater independence (that is not to say we are completely independent).

So can the whole "we are exporting all our jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
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NO, the US has one of the most interdependent economies on the planet. Our economy depends on trade. Without our ability to export goods, we would quickly go bankrupt. Without the importation of oil (as well as many raw goods) we would quickly go bankrupt
 
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Goldenboy219 said:
And all you did was spew opinionated drivel which is not a valid substitute for a valid argument.



It is a fact. Look up how much the U.S. imports as a % of their total output vs every other industrialized nation. The only country with a lower rate of imports is Japan; however, their consistent current account surplus suggests their economy is highly dependent on exports.
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Rate of imports is a meaningless #. We import most of our oil, and without that, we would go bankrupt quickly. Economics involves a lot more than pulling one # out of many

An uninformed opinion is still uninformed
 
presluc said:
What amazes me is people walking around in America a bad economy that seems to be getting worse and saying how great things are in America.
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Please show me exactly where i made the statement that "things are great in America"?

Take off the rose collared glaases pal, the American economy is down, real estate is down, jobs are down.
Maybe in D.C. and Wall street times are good well sometimes but on Main street?
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Strawman. I never said times are good.

If any atempt to help stimulate this economy and create more jobs is blocked by either party there will be consequences.
Which party helps the people on Main street is key.
People on Main street vote.
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I don't believe you understand how these discussion boards work. If you do not wish to respond to my argument, then there is no need to hit the reply button and attempt to discuss something that has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

Economic stagnation at this point in time is given; attempting to use it as the premise of your argument makes absolutely ZERO sense.
 
sangha said:
NO, the US has one of the most interdependent economies on the planet. Our economy depends on trade. Without our ability to export goods, we would quickly go bankrupt. Without the importation of oil (as well as many raw goods) we would quickly go bankrupt
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I agree that we have a need to export and import, but it is frivolous to make the claim that all of our jobs are being outsourced. Yes, low skilled manufacturing jobs are being pushed overseas. This is a good thing though; do you really believe it makes our nation more competitive by preserving low skilled manufacturing?

Do you oppose automation systems (or productivity enhancing systems) because they replace low skilled factory workers?
 
sangha said:
Rate of imports is a meaningless #. We import most of our oil, and without that, we would go bankrupt quickly. Economics involves a lot more than pulling one # out of many

An uninformed opinion is still uninformed
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How does this in any way address what was stated? Yeah..., we import oil. I'm not exactly sure how that negates ANYTHING i have posted in regards to the subject at hand.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
I agree that we have a need to export and import, but it is frivolous to make the claim that all of our jobs are being outsourced. Yes, low skilled manufacturing jobs are being pushed overseas. This is a good thing though; do you really believe it makes our nation more competitive by preserving low skilled manufacturing?

Do you oppose automation systems (or productivity enhancing systems) because they replace low skilled factory workers?
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You said we are the "most independent economies". We are not.

Afghanistan has a more independent economy than we do.

And no one is making the argument that ALL of our jobs are being outsourced. Its called "rhetoric". Most people can recognize that.

Also, many of the jobs that have been outsourced are NOT low skilled jobs.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
How does this in any way address what was stated? Yeah..., we import oil. I'm not exactly sure how that negates ANYTHING i have posted in regards to the subject at hand.
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You don't remember the argument that YOU made?

You said our economy was very independent. It is not

Goldenboy219 said:
I would like to point to the fact that the U.S. has (by far) one of the most independent economies on the planet.
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sangha said:
You said we are the "most independent economies". We are not.
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Based on what.... a gut feeling?

A countries independence can be defined as (exports + imports)/GDP all within the same time span. In reality, the European economies are far more dependent than that of the U.S. The higher the ratio, the more dependent.

Afghanistan has a more independent economy than we do.
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Again, based on a gut feeling?

Also, many of the jobs that have been outsourced are NOT low skilled jobs.
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Source? Also, define many.
 
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sangha said:
You said our economy was very independent. It is not
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If you had the ability to prove such a statement, you would have done so already. Economic independence is relative.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Based on what.... a gut feeling?
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Based on the facts I posted, which you are now ignoring

A countries independence can be defined as (exports + imports)/GDP all within the same time span. In reality, the European economies are far more dependent than that of the U.S. The higher the ratio, the more dependent.
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Definitions that you make up to win an argument on the internet are not valid.




Again, based on a gut feeling?
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No, based on the facts



Source? Also, define many.
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Many manufacturing jobs (ex steel, auto, textiles, computer technology) are not low-skilled jobs.
 
sangha said:
Based on the facts I posted, which you are now ignoring
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You posted nothing of significance.

Definitions that you make up to win an argument on the internet are not valid.
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I made up no definition. The fact remains, the U.S. is far less reliant on trade than any other nation in the world. If it were truly depenent, a greater portion of total output would come in the form of either imports, exports, or both.

For example. I can state that the nation of Luxembourg is extremely dependent on other nations with great accuracy. Why? Because the nation of Luxembourg imports more than they produce in a given year (which means their import/GDP ratio is greater than 100%).

In comparison to the United States, Luxembourg is far more dependent.

Many manufacturing jobs (ex steel, auto, textiles, computer technology) are not low-skilled jobs.
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Again with the fictitious use of the word "many". We do know that the U.S. is the global leader in exports of services. Basic intuition leads us to believe that we export highly skilled services.
 
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sangha said:
Highly ironic. If you had the ability to prove your statement, you would have already done so.
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I have done so already. It probably just takes time to sink in :shrug:
 
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