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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem to think that its ok for 51 percent of america not to pay income taxes because they pay other taxes.
    Of course it is. Why would anybody possibly care what type of taxes it is a person pays in through?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How many of those countries have a 15 trillion dollar GDP? your percentages are worthless, the amount actually spent are what matters.
    The EU is at about $18billion and they're all way ahead of us on percentages. But the percentage is all that matters. You don't get to be extra slack about it just because you live in a country with a big population...

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The EU is at about $18billion and they're all way ahead of us on percentages. But the percentage is all that matters. You don't get to be extra slack about it just because you live in a country with a big population...
    Hard to take someone who claims to live in San Francisco seriously. This country has a 15 trillion dollar GDP and no other country comes close so again 45 billion is plenty for foreign aid and probably too much. it isn't the role of this country to take care of the world but instead to help where necessary. Much of our foreign aid is stolen by the leaders of those countries.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    If you're looking for ways to spend less abroad, why not look at the military instead? We spend about 100 times as much on that.

    IMO 0.13% seems below even the bare minimum we can do and respect ourselves. The bible says you should give 10%. Can't we at least hit 1%? Just seems like decency requires it. There are people around the world that starve to death every day for want of the cost of a cup of coffee and who really have no options for saving themselves on their own at all. I really can't see how we can't get the jumbo size instead of the super jumbo size every once in a while and save a bunch of lives...
    I wonder just how much of our foreign aid actually gets to the people who can't afford the cost of a cup of coffee?
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Hard to take someone who claims to live in San Francisco seriously. This country has a 15 trillion dollar GDP and no other country comes close so again 45 billion is plenty for foreign aid and probably too much. it isn't the role of this country to take care of the world but instead to help where necessary. Much of our foreign aid is stolen by the leaders of those countries.
    We are paying LESS than any other first world country as a percentage of our GDP. Less total than the EU, less per person than most first world countries, and people are still dying for want of a few pennies who have no way out of it on their own. How is that "enough"? What are you basing your determination of "enough" on?

    And, again, international affairs isn't foreign aid. That's international relations. Like diplomats and embassies and whatnot.

    And, again, 45 minutes ago you were thinking we spent an astounding 18% of our GDP on foreign aid. Now you know it is 0.13%. That is a radical difference. If your views are in any way based on facts, that would most definitely completely change your whole outlook, right? So why doesn't that seem to have happened? Are your views just driven by pure mindless partisanship? Or what? If we really were giving 18% of our GDP in foreign aid, I would oppose that too, but 0.13%, that's a whole different deal and not nearly enough, so I support it... Does it not work that way for you? Facts don't enter into the equation at all?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    We are paying LESS than any other first world country as a percentage of our GDP. Less total than the EU, less per person than most first world countries, and people are still dying for want of a few pennies who have no way out of it on their own. How is that "enough"? What are you basing your determination of "enough" on?

    And, again, international affairs isn't foreign aid. That's international relations. Like diplomats and embassies and whatnot.

    And, again, 45 minutes ago you were thinking we spent an astounding 18% of our GDP on foreign aid. Now you know it is 0.13%. That is a radical difference. If your views are in any way based on facts, that would most definitely completely change your whole outlook, right? So why doesn't that seem to have happened? Are your views just driven by pure mindless partisanship? Or what? If we really were giving 18% of our GDP in foreign aid, I would oppose that too, but 0.13%, that's a whole different deal and not nearly enough, so I support it... Does it not work that way for you? Facts don't enter into the equation at all?
    So what? Our lower percentage amounts to a higher dollar amount something apparently you cannot understand. So in your world 45 BILLION Dollars is spent on embassies and foreign diplomats? Prove that internatonal aid isn't foreign aid. I gave you the budget of the U.S. with line times. Where does foreign aid fit in?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was not the original question. Republicans originally claimed that tax cuts produced jobs. We had the tax cuts. So where are all those jobs? Again, it was a BS question to begin with, since it is demand that creates jobs, and it has zilch to do with tax rates.
    you took most of their rationale for your own argument as to how demand creates jobs.... you just happened to leave off the source of revenue that consumers would use to spend with... they didn't
    i'm figuring you are counting money earned through wages as "valid".. but i'm not sure why you would invalidate money "earned" through less taxation.

    it's a viscous circle with supply and demand sometimes... we need demand, but we don't really have the jobs available to put money in peoples pockets in order for them to spend and increase demand with.
    money doesn't magically appear in peoples wallets...it's gotta come from somewhere...a job is the best place.
    lowing taxes can help create jobs...depending on the details.... and I don't think it's wise for democrats and liberals to completely invalidate that idea.

    even Obama and his advisers knows that tax breaks can help spur job creation... that's why they keep attempting them.
    ,but,they are under the idea that people who make over 250k aren't job creators though... and I haven't the foggiest idea where they get that from... they aren't teh only job creators, but they do create jobs nonetheless.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I wonder just how much of our foreign aid actually gets to the people who can't afford the cost of a cup of coffee?
    Definitely it is tough to reach people in some situations. That's just part of the cost. But the cost is still ridiculously low even given that.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course it is. Why would anybody possibly care what type of taxes it is a person pays in through?
    that's really silly. You libs want the rich to pay even more INCOME TAXES when 51% of the country dont pay any



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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's really silly. You libs want the rich to pay even more INCOME TAXES when 51% of the country dont pay any
    why don't they pay income taxes?

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