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pbrauer said:
Sending jobs overseas make corporate profits higher/CEO's compensation bigger. Retail prices of products sold is determined by supply and demand principles.
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lets examine this silliness of yours

companies exist to make profits

companies need to buy certain commodities in order to produce products which they then sell for profit

if one type of commodity becomes overpriced compared to what the competition is paying, the company must find a lower priced commodity. Unions make labor overpriced.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong, its you who felt that way--its a common tactic of the left-to assume airs of adulthood and try to pretend superior maturity which is hilarious because leftwing philosophy is one of faux parenthood dominating millions of needy children. LIberalism appeals to those who want to remain children and those who want to be their pretend parents
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You're leaping around being silly now. You're speaking to me and not liberalism. Obama is not a boy or a Kenyan. this is fact. And it is sad anyoen has to be told this. This is from ME and not liberalism.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong, its you who felt that way--its a common tactic of the left-to assume airs of adulthood and try to pretend superior maturity which is hilarious because leftwing philosophy is one of faux parenthood dominating millions of needy children...
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do you consider it mature & appropriate to refer to President Obama as a "boy"?
 
Thunder said:
do you consider it mature & appropriate to refer to President Obama as a "boy"?
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it was boy blunder-a play on the term boy wonder which was applied to a guy who was under fifty when elected

stop your silly twistings
 
TurtleDude said:
nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas
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Yeah, we wouldnt want to cut into CEOs half a million dollar wage and multi-million dollar bonuses no would we?

No, we want to do it the conservative way and abolish the min wage so we can have people working for $3.00/hr with no benefits at all. I mean why would they need benefits when they are simply lucky to work under godlike leadership right?
 
TheNextEra said:
Yeah, we wouldnt want to cut into CEOs half a million dollar wage and multi-million dollar bonuses no would we?

No, we want to do it the conservative way and abolish the min wage so we can have people working for $3.00/hr with no benefits at all. I mean why would they need benefits when they are simply lucky to work under godlike leadership right?
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CEO's are sometimes overpaid but that is not what causes companies to move overseas.

you have to deal with the fact that if others in other nations are willing to provide equally competent labor for 3 dollars an hour, those who pay 30 and hour for the same labor are going to go out of business
 
TurtleDude said:
nah liberals want artificially high wages for union members at the expense of others

unsustainable wages that send jobs overseas
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there are very few jobs in the USA that could not find a lower-paying counterpart in India, China, Mexico, etc etc.

so why aren't all of these jobs moving overseas?

its called Patriotism. some companies & corporations love their country and value their contribution to America's economic health, and some love profits more than their nation.
 
Thunder said:
there are very few jobs in the USA that could not find a lower-paying counterpart in India, China, Mexico, etc etc.

so why aren't all of these jobs moving overseas?

its called Patriotism. some companies & corporations love their country and value their contribution to America's economic health, and some love profits more than their nation.
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LOL that is just so stupid its funny
 
Thunder said:
there are very few jobs in the USA that could not find a lower-paying counterpart in India, China, Mexico, etc etc.

so why aren't all of these jobs moving overseas?

its called Patriotism. some companies & corporations love their country and value their contribution to America's economic health, and some love profits more than their nation.
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I'll answer, not all companies have the ability to move to foreign labor markets. Large corporations can but not many small business, but many of the small and mom and pop businesses outsource jobs right here at home to 20 million illegals.
 
Born Free said:
I'll answer, not all companies have the ability to move to foreign labor markets. Large corporations can but not many small business, but many of the small and mom and pop businesses outsource jobs right here at home to 20 million illegals.
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Yes they do. As do larger companies. This is one reason why we'll still be talkign about illegals a decade from now no matter who is elected.
 
TurtleDude said:
CEO's are sometimes overpaid but that is not what causes companies to move overseas.

you have to deal with the fact that if others in other nations are willing to provide equally competent labor for 3 dollars an hour, those who pay 30 and hour for the same labor are going to go out of business
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Do you think Adam Smith the author of the Wealth of Nations (1776) would agree with your comments???
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes they do. As do larger companies. This is one reason why we'll still be talkign about illegals a decade from now no matter who is elected.
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I beg to differ, a shop owner that owns a dry cleaners in Nebraska or a coffee shop in PA, is going to go to what country to outsource what. Or how is a motel owner supposed to outsource to what country to do or save what?
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, in some ways unions have become beasts. But is it any worse than the corporate beast that will keep you on just right before they would have to pay some pension or retirement and then let you go?

Seems you are just wanting to tie up one beast and let the other one roam around destroying things in different ways.
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Not at all. There are plenty of regulations on business now, that unions have become little more than organized thugs is apparent today. Tell me, when was the last time you can remember that a union strike had anything to do with safety in the workplace? Or for that matter child labor? No, they are nearly 100% today about strangling the business for ever more until that business can no longer sustain their business, then that business either goes under, or moves out of country, and the libs blame it on greed.....It's greed all right, greed from a small percentage of the total workforce that are only recognized as the workers of America by the democrat hacks that cater to them.

j-mac
 
Born Free said:
I beg to differ, a shop owner that owns a dry cleaners in Nebraska or a coffee shop in PA, is going to go to what country to outsource what. Or how is a motel owner supposed to outsource to what country to do or save what?
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YOu seem to have misread what I said. Yes they do refers to hiring illegals. Re-read. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
YOu seem to have misread what I said. Yes they do refers to hiring illegals. Re-read. :coffeepap
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Originally Posted by Born Free
I'll answer, not all companies have the ability to move to foreign labor markets. Large corporations can but not many small business, but many of the small and mom and pop businesses outsource jobs right here at home to 20 million illegals.

My post had two parts, I understand now you only referred to the last part, not the first.
 
haymarket said:
Or, if you are not in approval of that arrangement, you can exercise your ultimate right of free choice and do what the Pilgrims did four centuries ago.
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But Barrack Obama will try to follow no matter where you go, in order to get your money. Some countries have acquiesced to US pressure, like Costa Rica (which may go back to ignoring them), others have fought back, like Canada.

Canadian finance minister tells IRS to back off - Bill Mann's Canada - MarketWatch
 
j-mac said:
Not at all. There are plenty of regulations on business now, that unions have become little more than organized thugs is apparent today. Tell me, when was the last time you can remember that a union strike had anything to do with safety in the workplace? Or for that matter child labor? No, they are nearly 100% today about strangling the business for ever more until that business can no longer sustain their business, then that business either goes under, or moves out of country, and the libs blame it on greed.....It's greed all right, greed from a small percentage of the total workforce that are only recognized as the workers of America by the democrat hacks that cater to them.

j-mac
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As I said in some ways unions have become beasts.

But how is that any different than the republican hacks that cater to corporations that move overseas or let go of their employees just right before they have to pay retirement or pensions?

There has to be a balance from all sides.
 
pbrauer said:
Do you think Adam Smith the author of the Wealth of Nations (1776) would agree with your comments???
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why should I care?

and why would I have any belief you could understand his rational if he did?
 
TheNextEra said:
Or you can simply leave if you are that unhappy. Might I suggest the center of Antartica?

But feel free to choose revolution if you want. Although given the amount of people that would actually follow a revolution (small handful at best), I would put money on the teabaggers getting mowed down pretty quickly.

You see the quite large majority of the country (both sodes) are not insane and do not believe we are under some dictatorship or tyranny needing revolution. Do we have an inefficient government? Yes we do and they are elected by the people. Do we have a government that needs to be disposed of by a violent revolution? No, we don't. Not even close.

So have fun with your rhetoric of revolution if it makes you feel better. The rest of us will stay in reality.
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It's a very quiet revolution talking place. Companies are leaving, as we all know, but so are people. More would probably leave if they could sell their homes, the main asset of most people. I spend a lot of time in Central America and the Europeans have been fleeing there for the past few years but now its Americans who are trying to escape and start a new life elsewhere.

"You've got a Republic...if you can keep it", and apparently this generation is willing to put it all at risk.
 
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