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Misterveritis said:
If the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence have any meaning or power at all then the people cede a portion of their sovereignty to the state. We can always choose the option of another revolution. And perhaps we will.
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Or you can simply leave if you are that unhappy. Might I suggest the center of Antartica?

But feel free to choose revolution if you want. Although given the amount of people that would actually follow a revolution (small handful at best), I would put money on the teabaggers getting mowed down pretty quickly.

You see the quite large majority of the country (both sodes) are not insane and do not believe we are under some dictatorship or tyranny needing revolution. Do we have an inefficient government? Yes we do and they are elected by the people. Do we have a government that needs to be disposed of by a violent revolution? No, we don't. Not even close.

So have fun with your rhetoric of revolution if it makes you feel better. The rest of us will stay in reality.
 
Conservative said:
You have a family? If not you have no clue what sacrifice means. Every night you don't sleep well afraid that phone is going to ring or someone from the military is going to show up on your doorstep. If you served, thank you but don't give me that bull**** about not sacrificing when three family members are in combat. Good thing you got out as you give the military a bad name
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your three family members sacrificed, you personally, did not...and how dare you denigrate his military service...some nerve you have....you should be ashamed of yourself...you owe him an apology
 
j-mac said:
Way to strive for the mediocre...

j-mac
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if making a good wage and getting decent benefits is 'mediocre'...ok, i'm cool with that....UAW AND PROUD OF IT
 
TurtleDude said:
a group not known for individual initiative or creative thinking but rather rote reaction
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Don't forget their role in the destruction of America's premier industry by sloppy work and greed.
 
TurtleDude said:
a group not known for individual initiative or creative thinking but rather rote reaction
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According to who? And btw, what is their job? Expalin your comment a little more.
 
Gill said:
Backtracking as usual I see. First you claim that businesses are moving to Texas because of cheap illegal immigrant labor, then when shown that the state they are moving FROM has MORE illegal immigrants, you try to change the subject.

Typical.
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What in the hell are you talking about? Nothing of the kind. Illegals come from all over jr. I tried to show how silly your statement was. You didn't seem to get that either. Do you really think states competing for illegals is a good thing? Seriously.
 
Conservative said:
You have a family? If not you have no clue what sacrifice means. Every night you don't sleep well afraid that phone is going to ring or someone from the military is going to show up on your doorstep. If you served, thank you but don't give me that bull**** about not sacrificing when three family members are in combat. Good thing you got out as you give the military a bad name
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Yes I do have a family and even family members that are currently serving in Iraq. Let me tell you something from experience. Yours and my experience (having family members deployed while we are in the states) is nowhere near the sacrifice they or I experienced while being deployed.

So, again I ask, what exactly did you sacrifice in the Iraq war?

As for your comment about being glad I got out of the military because I give it a bad name I'll dismiss as just ignorance on your part. I'm proud of my service and I served honorably. What have you done?
 
Conservative said:
You haven't proven that the wealthy get more benefits out of the govt. but the fact is the wealthy are paying more than their fair share which you have yet to define unless you believe that 38% of FIT revenue isn't enough.

Are you telling me that the 47% of the INCOME EARNERS paying zero in FIT are not getting any services at all? Is their fair share ZERO? Do you realize how foolish you sound and what you are saying only makes sense to other liberals?
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Have you even read the links I've posted? If you don't, you won't learn that you're wrong. :coffeepap
 
randel said:
if making a good wage and getting decent benefits is 'mediocre'...ok, i'm cool with that....UAW AND PROUD OF IT
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Making a "good wage" at the expense of expanded job force, and a current employee pool that works to the least productive level without fear of losing their job is what produced this turd....

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HAHAHAHA! Great one.....

Oh, BTW, I hear the shop steward still has some good smoke for break time today.....heh, heh....

j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
What in the hell are you talking about? Nothing of the kind. Illegals come from all over jr. I tried to show how silly your statement was. You didn't seem to get that either. Do you really think states competing for illegals is a good thing? Seriously.
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Wow, you need to take a rest. You obviously are having problems remembering your own posts, much less others.

Take a nap.
 
j-mac said:
Making a "good wage" at the expense of expanded job force, and a current employee pool that works to the least productive level without fear of losing their job is what produced this turd....

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HAHAHAHA! Great one.....

Oh, BTW, I hear the shop steward still has some good smoke for break time today.....heh, heh....

j-mac
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It's true. If we'd all just work for 3 cents an hour, there'd be no problem. Busness would be happy and would stay. Let's propose that today and not wait a second longer.


:roll: :coffeepap :roll:
 
Gill said:
Wow, you need to take a rest. You obviously are having problems remembering your own posts, much less others.

Take a nap.
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I remember them fine. You're just making a logical error and don't know it. I'm not sure how to point it out to you as you have missed the point of everything else. :shrug:
 
j-mac said:
Making a "good wage" at the expense of expanded job force, and a current employee pool that works to the least productive level without fear of losing their job is what produced this turd....

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HAHAHAHA! Great one.....

Oh, BTW, I hear the shop steward still has some good smoke for break time today.....heh, heh....

j-mac
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showing your ignorance j, showing your ignorance.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's true. If we'd all just work for 3 cents an hour, there'd be no problem. Busness would be happy and would stay. Let's propose that today and not wait a second longer.


:roll: :coffeepap :roll:
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Aww, don't get snarky professor....It doesn't suit you well. The fact remains that UAW bloat, and golden pension systems are strangling the company. Unions are for that part of the work force that could never succeed on their own without protection.

j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
I remember them fine. You're just making a logical error and don't know it. I'm not sure how to point it out to you as you have missed the point of everything else. :shrug:
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yeah, I know Boo...........everyone is illogical but you............everyone's sources are biased but your's........... everyone fails to read other's links but you.........

You need to get a new song and dance, yours is getting tiresome.
 
j-mac said:
Aww, don't get snarky professor....It doesn't suit you well. The fact remains that UAW bloat, and golden pension systems are strangling the company. Unions are for that part of the work force that could never succeed on their own without protection.

j-mac
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That's debatable. But it is the only way you will get business to stay. Being so scared that you appease them like they were gods is not the way to fix our problems. Business and workers have to find a way to be mutually beneficial to each other. Both need a voice at the table. With all their problems, unions are still the best way to have some weight behind the emplyee voice.
 
Gill said:
yeah, I know Boo...........everyone is illogical but you............everyone's sources are biased but your's........... everyone fails to read other's links but you.........

You need to get a new song and dance, yours is getting tiresome.
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Notice that you're addressing anything. You've been asked questions and have not answered. I think you know better. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
That's debatable. But it is the only way you will get business to stay. Being so scared that you appease them like they were gods is not the way to fix our problems. Business and workers have to find a way to be mutually beneficial to each other. Both need a voice at the table. With all their problems, unions are still the best way to have some weight behind the emplyee voice.
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Funny, but the Toyota plant here in Kentucky is doing just fine with no union. The UAW has been trying to unionize that plant for 20 years but the employees don't want anything to do with them. They are quite happy with their wages, benefits, and the weight behind their voice.

I've been in that plant many times as well as both Ford plants in Louisville. You can eat off the floor at Toyota. At the Ford plants, you get dirty just walking through the place.
 
Boo Radley said:
Notice that you're addressing anything. You've been asked questions and have not answered. I think you know better. :coffeepap
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I'm imitating you.... can't you tell??
 
Boo Radley said:
That's debatable. But it is the only way you will get business to stay. Being so scared that you appease them like they were gods is not the way to fix our problems. Business and workers have to find a way to be mutually beneficial to each other. Both need a voice at the table. With all their problems, unions are still the best way to have some weight behind the emplyee voice.
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At one time that was probably true, however, in today's market the only benefit I can actually say they provide their workers is that job security that others don't have, but they do it at the expense of future generation have the opportunity of having that job due to the fact that todays union thugs act more like petulant children screaming mine, mine, mine, and more, more, more....

They are the new dinosaur that is on its way out.


j-mac
 
Gill said:
I'm imitating you.... can't you tell??
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Hardly. I answer. You don't. California having illegals doesn't disprove Texas luring in illegals. It's a silly logical leap on your part. I have answered that twice now. You? Still waiting.
 
Boo Radley said:
That's debatable. But it is the only way you will get business to stay. Being so scared that you appease them like they were gods is not the way to fix our problems. Business and workers have to find a way to be mutually beneficial to each other. Both need a voice at the table. With all their problems, unions are still the best way to have some weight behind the emplyee voice.
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Unions clearly were a benefit until they became a hindrance. Pendulums seem to swing to far in either direction. The problem seems to be less about salary and benefits and more about work rules. The new Boeing plant in SC as I understand it paid essentially the same think as the union plant.
 
Boo Radley said:
Hardly. I answer. You don't. California having illegals doesn't disprove Texas luring in illegals. It's a silly logical leap on your part. I have answered that twice now. You? Still waiting.
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Thanks !!! you gave me my laffer for the day, but you do owe me for a keyboard since I spit my coffee all over mine.

You NEVER answer, you obfuscate, change the subject, bring up strawmen, and accuse others of doing exactly what you do. And besides that, you obviously are having problems following discussions as evidenced by your comments above.

In other words, you have become one of the most hyperpartisan hacks on this board.

Now, I'm done trying to reason with you........it's a waste of time.
 
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