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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    LOL. Read your source. That is the total for all means tested spending. That means any spending program that doesn't charge poor people... Nice try though.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

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    That is your opinion, upon what do you base your OPINION? What I read has been reported, bls.gov, bea.gov, and the U.S. Treasury. Nothing else provides as much valuable information. What you fail to understand is that Clinton didn't inherit a recession and what you further ignore are the tax cuts implemented by the GOP Congress in 1997 as well as the pro business agenda put in place in 1995 after the GOP took Congress. Reagan increased jobs by 17 million AFTER losing jobs during the recessionof 1981-1982 and Bush had over 6 million jobs created between January 2001 and December 2007 even with the recession of 2001 and 9/11. Raising taxes in the current economy serves what purpose?
    As has been pointed out, you often misinterpt the numbers you pull off bls.gov and the like. This has been pointed out to you before. And I have linked for you quite a bit that supports my opinion. If you don't recall it, then this supports my concern that you've never even looked at it.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude, it's not that hard.

    A CEO of a big corporation tends to rake in a lot of money. But by no means is he (it's usually a "he"; would you like to suggest that women don't have the same drive as men do?) able to do so alone. To keep his offices clean, he has to hire janitors, and I wonder how much they make? In addition, he probably has a lot of workers for him, especially he runs a manufacturing or energy company. Unless they're unionized, they probably don't make a lot; and if the laborers are overseas, they may make pennies every hour. His office has to have running water; that water is provided by public servants who don't make near what he makes. To get to his office, he had to take a car, or taxi, or limo, or perhaps helicopter. That consumes gas, and remember what I said about laborers in energy companies? Furthermore, those roads had to be paved and occasionally repaved, and that takes labor. To even get where he is in the first place, he had to be taught in a classroom, and don't even get me started about how badly teachers are underpaid.

    And that's just for him. That does not include the building of society off the back of laborers. Or the building of our economy, if we go far enough back, off the backs of people who were paid absolutely nothing. Or the development of European society, which was built on the back of practically the entire continent of Africa.

    Conservative, you guys want to make it sound like that the rich just magically work their way up to the top, and nobody takes a hit for it on the way up. I really do not understand how you have deluded yourselves so, but I can tell you this: It's one of the greatest lies in our society today.
    LMAO...wow are you confused.

    Please, explain to us how the rich get rich....

    I think it is you that has been lied to.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    LOL. Read your source. That is the total for all means tested spending. That means any spending program that doesn't charge poor people... Nice try though.
    Please, by all means tell us how "means tested" spending doesn't count when considering the amount of money actually spent on people who do not contribute. Should we just ignore this fact because you don't want to hear it? It doesn't matter what they call it, it is still spending and the facts are still the same. It is high time you stop discrediting actual figures to support your pathetic theory that people who have more money than you do owe you something.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As has been pointed out, you often misinterpt the numbers you pull off bls.gov and the like. This has been pointed out to you before. And I have linked for you quite a bit that supports my opinion. If you don't recall it, then this supports my concern that you've never even looked at it.
    I have never misrepresented the numbers off BEA.gov for they are what they are, period. I doubt seriously that you have ever gone to bea.gov, bls.gov, or the U.S. Treasury sites for they don't support your position. Nor do I ever see a response to the question raised, how will raising taxes during these economic times put 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans back to work full time. As was pointed out but of course you ignored, Clinton didn't inherit a recession but Clinton did give us a GOP Congress.

    "Your" President now wants to raise taxes with high unemployment as symbolism to anyone who is even considering showing initiative, taking risk that it just isn't worth it under this Administration.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

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    I have never misrepresented the numbers off BEA.gov for they are what they are, period. .
    Uhmm you have confused nominal and real numbers on more than one occasion.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokified View Post
    Please, by all means tell us how "means tested" spending doesn't count when considering the amount of money actually spent on people who do not contribute. Should we just ignore this fact because you don't want to hear it? It doesn't matter what they call it, it is still spending and the facts are still the same. It is high time you stop discrediting actual figures to support your pathetic theory that people who have more money than you do owe you something.
    Uh, you were talking about welfare. Now you've moved on to some vague category of spending on people "who don't contribute"? So I guess you concede that you were wrong about welfare? Welfare is programs that give people checks because they're living in poverty. That is TANF. That's what welfare is.

    What do you mean by "people who don't contribute"? Everybody pays taxes, even those who are unable to get a job at all. Most everybody either works or is trying to find work. If you're just going to make a statement about spending on "people who don't contribute", you need to define that before we can even begin to see what a number would be.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmm you have confused nominal and real numbers on more than one occasion.
    Nominal numbers are the only numbers that mattered during the time frame in question, period. Real numbers fact in inflation which puts Reagan numbers in comparison with 2005 numbers, hardly relevant in the 80's but nice try at spin.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

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    Nominal numbers are the only numbers that mattered during the time frame in question, period. Real numbers fact in inflation which puts Reagan numbers in comparison with 2005 numbers, hardly relevant in the 80's but nice try at spin.
    What you did was use nominal and compared them to real numbers in the same post.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What you did was use nominal and compared them to real numbers in the same post.
    Why do you constant divert from the thread topic by asking off topic questions? Probably a better question is why do I answer them just giving you a forum to troll.

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