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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree with Obama's plan.

    I also find the liberal hypocrisy regarding tax hikes for the wealthy to be lol worthy. So the liberal platform is typically "keep the government out of my bedroom!" "Keep the government out of women's wombs!" "Keep the government out of my lifestyle as it relates to marijuana!" "Keep the government away from the religious morals of the voting populace!"

    All that flips with "Keep the government in someone else's wallet who has more than me." The typical argument I've seen is "if something doesn't affect you, then you have no right to stop it or interfere with another's choices." Many apply this argument to marijuana usage, sexual ethics, and abortion. Why not be consistent and not dictate how much someone else should pay in taxes? Why should you intrude upon someone's finances with your beliefs (that affect someone else and not you) and demand that they have to pay more? Hypocrisy is silly
    Your post is larded with nonsensical assumptions such as "the people who want to raise taxes on the rich are not rich" and "social issues are just like economic issues" and "ideology is more important than reality"

    Most people don't make these decisions based on ideology. They decide based on what they think works "best"
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your post is larded with nonsensical assumptions such as "the people who want to raise taxes on the rich are not rich" and "social issues are just like economic issues" and "ideology is more important than reality"

    Most people don't make these decisions based on ideology. They decide based on what they think works "best"
    It's still hypocrisy to hold a core view that says "if it doesn't personally impact you then you have no right to deny it to someone else" and then make decisions regarding other people's income.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is this the beginning we needed? Maybe so, but the Republican candidates are pretty adamant that they do want to repeal it, in which case we will be back to square one, just as you said. Where do we go from here? We urgently need to rein in the costs. As it stands now, no one in Washington has any idea how to do so. Mostly, they either want to keep what we have (Democrats, since it was a Democrat that supported it) or get rid of it (Republicans, since it was a Democrat who supported it.)

    A great portion of the debt that the current Congress is not willing to face in any realistic way is due to the cost of health care.
    Polls about Obamacare are suspect, at best. Like every other attempt at health care reform, it was subjected to a brutal propoganda campaign by republicans, the insurance indutry, big pharma, and others. Interestingly, when Americans are polled about the individual elements of Obamacare, most of the provisions are supported by the majority of respondents. If it was ObamaCAR we were talking about....

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree with Obama's plan.

    I also find the liberal hypocrisy regarding tax hikes for the wealthy to be lol worthy. So the liberal platform is typically "keep the government out of my bedroom!" "Keep the government out of women's wombs!" "Keep the government out of my lifestyle as it relates to marijuana!" "Keep the government away from the religious morals of the voting populace!"

    All that flips with "Keep the government in someone else's wallet who has more than me." The typical argument I've seen is "if something doesn't affect you, then you have no right to stop it or interfere with another's choices." Many apply this argument to marijuana usage, sexual ethics, and abortion. Why not be consistent and not dictate how much someone else should pay in taxes? Why should you intrude upon someone's finances with your beliefs (that affect someone else and not you) and demand that they have to pay more? Hypocrisy is silly
    Why do you have a problem with Obama asking the wealthiest Americans to pay the same exact tax rate that most middle class people pay?
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's still hypocrisy to hold a core view that says "if it doesn't personally impact you then you have no right to deny it to someone else" and then make decisions regarding other people's income.
    You assume thats a "core view". IMO, many (if not most) people have no core view
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    I am simply flabbergasted by the fact that modern day liberals are attacking old and poor people rather than our unjustified wars. Their priorities seem to be out of whacked.

    Now, not only brown babies are the enemy, but old people are too.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Is this the beginning we needed? Maybe so, but the Republican candidates are pretty adamant that they do want to repeal it, in which case we will be back to square one, just as you said. Where do we go from here? We urgently need to rein in the costs. As it stands now, no one in Washington has any idea how to do so. Mostly, they either want to keep what we have (Democrats, since it was a Democrat that supported it) or get rid of it (Republicans, since it was a Democrat who supported it.)

    A great portion of the debt that the current Congress is not willing to face in any realistic way is due to the cost of health care.
    I don't think democrats feel secure enough to move forward with any plan to improve, and can't seem to articulate how moving forward might lower costs. After all, we spend a lot now before anything is done. So, they bunker down and try to hold the line. This is their failure IMHO.

    Repulicans smell blood in the water and think repeal will hurt democrats more than anything else. In the reverse, democrats would be doing the same thing, sadly. I wish more saw that it would be best for the country to find something that worked, lowered costs, and allowed access to more people. I don't see congress tackling this as a problem to solve, but as a wedge to push between their oppenets and the voters.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    I prefer we cut the debt by at least $3 trillion over ten years.

    and for every dollar of spending cuts, there should be 33 cents of revenue increase.

    whether that extra revenue comes from tax-increases, closing loopholes, higher fees and tariffs, I don't care.

    however. the 1:3 ratio must be stuck with. This is what Obama wanted a few months ago and I hope he adopts it again.

    beyond this, we should also negotiate a plan, maybe next year, to cut the debt by half within 20 years. and again, using the 1:3 spending cuts to revenue increase ratio.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    true. class warfare seems to be what both parties aim at right now.
    Welcome to the forum fubar. I think I understand what you are saying here, but to be sure could you expand?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Obama keeps wrapping the same old crap in a new wrapper but when you open the package it's still crap.

    He talks about compromise but when comes push to shove, he's saying my way or the highway.

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