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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    How many times do we need to go over this? Federal income taxes aren't the only taxes. Obviously you know that since we've been over it before, so what gives?
    Dishonesty.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Dude, it's not that hard.

    A CEO of a big corporation tends to rake in a lot of money. But by no means is he (it's usually a "he"; would you like to suggest that women don't have the same drive as men do?) able to do so alone. To keep his offices clean, he has to hire janitors, and I wonder how much they make? In addition, he probably has a lot of workers for him, especially he runs a manufacturing or energy company. Unless they're unionized, they probably don't make a lot; and if the laborers are overseas, they may make pennies every hour. His office has to have running water; that water is provided by public servants who don't make near what he makes. To get to his office, he had to take a car, or taxi, or limo, or perhaps helicopter. That consumes gas, and remember what I said about laborers in energy companies? Furthermore, those roads had to be paved and occasionally repaved, and that takes labor. To even get where he is in the first place, he had to be taught in a classroom, and don't even get me started about how badly teachers are underpaid.

    And that's just for him. That does not include the building of society off the back of laborers. Or the building of our economy, if we go far enough back, off the backs of people who were paid absolutely nothing. Or the development of European society, which was built on the back of practically the entire continent of Africa.

    Conservative, you guys want to make it sound like that the rich just magically work their way up to the top, and nobody takes a hit for it on the way up. I really do not understand how you have deluded yourselves so, but I can tell you this: It's one of the greatest lies in our society today.
    No more than you who wants everyone else to believe that there aren't dishonest people abusing the taxpayers. Pleae explain to me why we need a 3.7 trillion trillion dollar budget and how many of those getting taxpayer assistance are truly in need of that assistance and don't have the ability to earn it for themselves? The greatest lie in our society has always been "I am from the Federal Govt. and am here to help you!"

    You want badly to believe what liberals tell you and even in the face of total failure you continue to buy the rhetoric. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? What is the role of the Federal Govt. in your world?

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So what does allowing people more take home pay through tax cuts do if not give consumers more money to buy stuff? Tax hikes mean less money regardless of the tax bracket.
    That was not the original question. Republicans originally claimed that tax cuts produced jobs. We had the tax cuts. So where are all those jobs? Again, it was a BS question to begin with, since it is demand that creates jobs, and it has zilch to do with tax rates.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Federal income taxes are the only thing on the table.
    More dishonesty. There are proposals concerning corporate taxes, and capital gains as well as depreciation, payroll taxes, etc

    Try posting something that's true. You never know, it might work
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Federal income taxes are the only thing on the table.
    No it's not. There are tons of proposals floating around to increase the estate tax, corporate income tax, capital gains tax, etc. But that is besides the point. You claimed that 95% don't pay their fair share. Obviously to know what share they're paying and whether it is fair requires looking at all taxes, not just cherry picking one of them. I don't want to have to go over this with you again. It is dishonest to keep repeating the same line feigning ignorance after you've been called out on it. Cut it out.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No more than you who wants everyone else to believe that there aren't dishonest people abusing the taxpayers. Pleae explain to me why we need a 3.7 trillion trillion dollar budget and how many of those getting taxpayer assistance are truly in need of that assistance and don't have the ability to earn it for themselves? The greatest lie in our society has always been "I am from the Federal Govt. and am here to help you!"

    You want badly to believe what liberals tell you and even in the face of total failure you continue to buy the rhetoric. What is it about liberalism that creates such loyalty? What is the role of the Federal Govt. in your world?
    No-sir, no-sir, no-sir. I will not play these games with you. You completely dodged my answer and shifted the conversation. Which leads me to believe...AdamT and I were right.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, they need the money so they can ship our jobs to China!!
    Yeah, I actually held in my hand an Annual Report from a company circa the original Bush cuts, bragging about how they used the tax savings from that cut to capitalize moving operations to China. At no cost to the stockholders!

    Yay! If only I could remember who it was...
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was not the original question. Republicans originally claimed that tax cuts produced jobs. We had the tax cuts. So where are all those jobs? Again, it was a BS question to begin with, since it is demand that creates jobs, and it has zilch to do with tax rates.
    And Dems claimed that $800 billion in stimulus money would produce jobs. We had the stimulus but where are all the jobs????

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That was not the original question. Republicans originally claimed that tax cuts produced jobs. We had the tax cuts. So where are all those jobs? Again, it was a BS question to begin with, since it is demand that creates jobs, and it has zilch to do with tax rates.
    I can prove without a doubt that jobs increased AFTER the Reagan and Bush tax cuts were fully implemented. Tax cuts put more money into the economy and that grows the economy creating greater demand. It is easier creating economic growth when consumers have more money.

    Right now the Bush tax cuts have been negated by Obama regulations and tax proposals, i.e. Obamacare. Individuals are still getting their tax cuts but businesses aren't hiring because of lack of confidence in this Administration and the potential for higher costs in the future.

    Why do you have such passion for raising taxes? What is the role of the govt. in your world.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No it's not. There are tons of proposals floating around to increase the estate tax, corporate income tax, capital gains tax, etc. But that is besides the point. You claimed that 95% don't pay their fair share. Obviously to know what share they're paying and whether it is fair requires looking at all taxes, not just cherry picking one of them. I don't want to have to go over this with you again. It is dishonest to keep repeating the same line feigning ignorance after you've been called out on it. Cut it out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    No-sir, no-sir, no-sir. I will not play these games with you. You completely dodged my answer and shifted the conversation. Which leads me to believe...AdamT and I were right.
    Dishonest arguments are his forte. Conservative has once again made stuff up in order to have an argument. It's quite revealing
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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