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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I would like to point to the fact that the U.S. has (by far) one of the most independent economies on the planet. Yes, we might import more than any other nation on a nominal basis, but such comparisons do not reflect the nature of trade. The U.S. imports less than 15% of GDP, which is far far less than any other industrial nation in the world outside of Japan. But when you take into consideration Japan's export sensitivity in regards to output, the U.S. enjoys a greater independence (that is not to say we are completely independent).

    So can the whole "we are exporting all our jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
    Sure I'll stop the "nonsense" of asking for more jobs back which means more tax revenue.
    Just as soon as that 15 trillion dollar debt is paid.
    Just as soon as we pay China the 93 million we owe them.
    Just as soon as our exports match our imports, you might like servants as for me I like to take care of stuff myself.
    I'm sure there's a lot of Americans out there pretty much feel the same way.

    FYI you can start on the 15 trillion , if you can get the boys in D.C.to stop printing money long enough.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons. A company that has gone out of business does not bid on any contracts including sole sourced ones.
    Well, well and here I though I was being ignored, that's party politics for ya.
    Republicans storm off in a huff saying never again and come back
    Democrats start in a huff and never leave.
    Independents just adapt and survive.lol

    Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons?
    Having the vice president of the U.S. as a close personal friend to the CEO of the company just might help get no bid contracts, MAYBE??? The word Haliburtian comes to mind.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Sure I'll stop the "nonsense" of asking for more jobs back which means more tax revenue.
    Just as soon as that 15 trillion dollar debt is paid.
    Just as soon as we pay China the 93 million we owe them.
    Just as soon as our exports match our imports, you might like servants as for me I like to take care of stuff myself.
    I'm sure there's a lot of Americans out there pretty much feel the same way.

    FYI you can start on the 15 trillion , if you can get the boys in D.C.to stop printing money long enough.
    Post me when you're ready.
    Ok.... Now that you have that off your chest, maybe you can address my post?!?!
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Well, well and here I though I was being ignored, that's party politics for ya.
    Republicans storm off in a huff saying never again and come back
    Democrats start in a huff and never leave.
    Independents just adapt and survive.lol

    Companies get sole source contracts for a variety of reasons?
    Having the vice president of the U.S. as a close personal friend to the CEO of the company just might help get no bid contracts, MAYBE??? The word Haliburtian comes to mind.
    I did say I was going to ignore you for a while. Many of your posts are borderline unintelligible.

    Pulling out Halliburton is not going to help you. Is your imagination so small, so limited, that you could not imagine that a Congress under the complete control of Democrats who hated President Bush, would not have exposed any wrongdoing if there were any to be exposed?

    Try again. Only this time with imagination.

    Oh yeah. Try to write clearly. Put some thought into it.

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Ok.... Now that you have that off your chest, maybe you can address my post?!?!
    I thought I did adress your post.

    So can the whole "we are exporting all are jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
    These are your words are they not?

    Now as for the other part of the post don't mean to rain on your optimistic veiw, pal.
    However all that talk about independent economies and GDP, and reguards to output the U.S. enjoys a greater independance is just that TALK.

    For the things you overlook are the following
    The Stock Market is currently like a seesaw up 300 points , a week later down 200 points UNCERTAINTY
    The finance of loans not going well banks have tightened loan regulations UNCERTAINTY
    The job reports for August was zero no jobs lost but no jobs added which like it or not effects supply and demand in America which means UNCERTAINTY.
    In my humble opinion it is most difficult to have the most independant economies in the world, if Americans remains with an uncertain outcome, most difficult indeed.

    Then there is also the two trillion deficit,plus the debt.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I thought I did adress your post.

    So can the whole "we are exporting all are jobs" crowd cut the nonsense?
    These are your words are they not?
    And all you did was spew opinionated drivel which is not a valid substitute for a valid argument.

    Now as for the other part of the post don't mean to rain on your optimistic veiw, pal.
    However all that talk about independent economies and GDP, and reguards to output the U.S. enjoys a greater independance is just that TALK.
    It is a fact. Look up how much the U.S. imports as a % of their total output vs every other industrialized nation. The only country with a lower rate of imports is Japan; however, their consistent current account surplus suggests their economy is highly dependent on exports.

    For the things you overlook are the following
    The Stock Market is currently like a seesaw up 300 points , a week later down 200 points UNCERTAINTY
    Ok. I'm not exactly sure how this is a valid response to anything i have stated.

    The finance of loans not going well banks have tightened loan regulations UNCERTAINTY
    What? Banks have "tightened loan regulations" does not even make sense. How about..... banks are not lending?! None the less, this statement does not address my post in the least bit.

    The job reports for August was zero no jobs lost but no jobs added which like it or not effects supply and demand in America which means UNCERTAINTY.
    Ok.... But how does this in any way address what i have stated?

    In my humble opinion it is most difficult to have the most independant economies in the world, if Americans remains with an uncertain outcome, most difficult indeed.

    Then there is also the two trillion deficit,plus the debt.
    An uninformed opinion is still uninformed.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I did say I was going to ignore you for a while. Many of your posts are borderline unintelligible.

    Pulling out Halliburton is not going to help you. Is your imagination so small, so limited, that you could not imagine that a Congress under the complete control of Democrats who hated President Bush, would not have exposed any wrongdoing if there were any to be exposed?




    Try again. Only this time with imagination.

    Oh yeah. Try to write clearly. Put some thought into it.
    You speak of intelligence Icould not have posted more clearly.
    QUOTE "Having the Vice President of the U.S. as a personal friend of the CEO of a company just "might" help get a "no bid contract, "MAYBE"? The word Haliburtian comes to mind.

    I need no imagination I suppose this "may" have been the only thing the Democratic Congress and the Republican White House staff that agreed on the reason simple; money and power a little inside trading.

    If you think I am insulted by your attacks on the Democrats think again.
    Both Republicans and Democrats and all splinter groups are at fault here.
    The right goes to the extreme right, the Left goes to the extreme left
    Neither moves

    The moderates are an endangered species
    That leaves the independants which do not care about party lines or hardcore right or left.
    They care for America.

    If a Republican stands for more jobs in America "which by the way is a #1 priorty in America" I will stand with them, if a Democrat stands for more jobs in America I will stand with them.
    As for Liberals and Tea Party members they have to show me something besides the blame game and pointing fingures.

    I do not know how much clearly I can write.
    For if you do not understand that, you are either a hardline right wing member or???
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    And all you did was spew opinionated drivel which is not a valid substitute for a valid argument.



    It is a fact. Look up how much the U.S. imports as a % of their total output vs every other industrialized nation. The only country with a lower rate of imports is Japan; however, their consistent current account surplus suggests their economy is highly dependent on exports.



    Ok. I'm not exactly sure how this is a valid response to anything i have stated.



    What? Banks have "tightened loan regulations" does not even make sense. How about..... banks are not lending?! None the less, this statement does not address my post in the least bit.



    Ok.... But how does this in any way address what i have stated?



    An uninformed opinion is still uninformed.
    I care not for long post so I'll make this short and sweet.

    1, I do not care for other industrialized nations I care for America's economy that is where I live.

    2. The job reports come through Wall street that would seem important to me.
    Also less jobs means less consumers which means less Demand more Supply, you being all about business should know what that means

    McCain in August of 2008 said America has a strong economy.
    You say America has the most independant economies in the world.
    Same song differant tune., same ending.
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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I care not for long post so I'll make this short and sweet.

    1, I do not care for other industrialized nations I care for America's economy that is where I live.

    2. The job reports come through Wall street that would seem important to me.
    Also less jobs means less consumers which means less Demand more Supply, you being all about business should know what that means

    McCain in August of 2008 said America has a strong economy.
    You say America has the most independant economies in the world.
    Same song differant tune., same ending.
    Your response in no way addresses my previous statement regarding imports and outsourcing. It amazes me when people attempt to substitute incoherent rants for an actual argument.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Obama to propose $1.5 trillion in new tax revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    No. No. No. No. No.

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    Like a foreign contractor

    The rightwing likes putting americans out of work
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