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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Conservative said:
You are so concerned about how much money the govt. gets, why aren't you concerned about how the money is spent?
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What a second here did I just not say 84 billion dollars that the government spends?
 
winston53660 said:
What a second here did I just not say 84 billion dollars that the government spends?
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Please provide proof that it takea 84 billion to keep the shipping lanes open. What is that 84 billion that you claimed?
 
Conservative said:
Yep, IRS Data, you can google it and get the information. Doubt seriously that you want that information though because all you want is attention.
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Looks like we have a troll who can't even back up his own ideas with a simple google search a few copy pastes. There are good reasons for you to make the search as apposed to mine. Then again, this would require you to be intelligent, which I am seriously starting to question. How did you own a major corporation again?
 
Jryan said:
Looks like we have a troll who can't even back up his own ideas with a simple google search a few copy pastes. There are good reasons for you to make the search as apposed to mine. Then again, this would require you to be intelligent, which I am seriously starting to question. How did you own a major corporation again?
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Kid, stop with the baiting. I have provided data that you ignored and will always ignore data that doesn't support your point of view. I really don't care whether or not you buy the data or not, I am secure in my statement and claim. If you want to participate in personal attacks, carry on.
 
Conservative said:
Kid, stop with the baiting. I have provided data that you ignored and will always ignore data that doesn't support your point of view. I really don't care whether or not you buy the data or not, I am secure in my statement and claim. If you want to participate in personal attacks, carry on.
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lol, you are a source now :lamo, great. Can I be too?
 
Jryan said:
That last statement has no merit, I as well as anyone else (over 18) in this country have the right to vote.
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You miss the point

If you never suffer increased income taxation when government spends more you have far less incentive to demand politicians hold spending down than if you are constantly told you have to pay more and more and more

its the beauty of progressives taxes

Liberal politicians can buy the votes of the many by promising them more spending that only a few will be tasked to pay for
 
Conservative said:
Please provide proof that it takea 84 billion to keep the shipping lanes open. What is that 84 billion that you claimed?
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Dude I've posted it plenty of times and there really is no reason to go look it up for you per your usual sophistry.

If you think it is cheaper so be it and show that I'm wrong.
 
winston53660 said:
You mean corporations like Exxon/Mobile and their President, CEO, upper executives who benefit immensely from the 84 billion dollars a year the US goverment spends on keeping shipping lanes open right?
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You mean all those people who use gasoline don't benefit either

you can justify parasitic attitudes all you want

I just don't buy your pathetic efforts to justify making others pay for what you demand
 
Conservative said:
Kid, stop with the baiting. I have provided data that you ignored and will always ignore data that doesn't support your point of view. I really don't care whether or not you buy the data or not, I am secure in my statement and claim. If you want to participate in personal attacks, carry on.
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You continue to side step information you are presented with why? Lets get back to the pie.

The pie is growing unfortunately the number of people taking slices of the pie has increased much faster, that means smaller pieces for everyone except for a few who control the distribution of the pie, I know/expect you under stand this but just in case lets say that in America we have 320 million people drawing from the pie and then we bring in 1.3 billion Indians and another 1.2 billion Chinese. Now lets say that the pie represents jobs and their are 1.2 billion jobs and 3 billion job seekers that means that 1.8 billion do not have a slice of the pie and it will not matter what that 1.8 million do even if they re-educate their selves and displace some of those working those workers that they replaced now take their place as unemployed or underemployed.


I question myself as to whether a global economy "pie" is a good or bad thing, short term it has hurt the american worker maybe long term "10-20 years" it would be good. I wonder if it is/was preventable but their is no way that anyone can deny the impact it has had on America's working middle class. Now those who have benefitted the most from the Chinese and Indian merging into the job pie are those who hand out the slices you know those that can invest in foreign markets. It seems that for some reason the Republicans and Wall Streeter's fight any effort to make the Chinese live up to the trade agreements and to bring their undervalued currency up
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EarlzP said:
You continue to side step information you are presented with why? Lets get back to the pie.
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Each year the economy grows and that is the pie, if you aren't getting your share then you have no one to blame but yourself. I can honestly see that the pie is in no danger of you getting a bigger piece.
 
Conservative said:
Each year the economy grows and that is the pie, if you aren't getting your share then you have no one to blame but yourself. I can honestly see that the pie is in no danger of you getting a bigger piece.
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The pie is 1% owns 95% of it. That isn't a pie I want to be involved in.
 
Jryan said:
The pie is 1% owns 95% of it. That isn't a pie I want to be involved in.
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I can see that the pie is in no danger of you getting a bigger piece of it either. If you don't become part of the rich then you only have yourself to blame and from what i can see there is a lot of blame that belongs to the one you see in the mirror each day.
 
Conservative said:
I can see that the pie is in no danger of you getting a bigger piece of it either. If you don't become part of the rich then you only have yourself to blame and from what i can see there is a lot of blame that belongs to the one you see in the mirror each day.
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Oh, so you are going to carry this conversation over to freewill? Do you honestly believe we have it? Obviously you do and you have no interest in researching your own body. You disgust me.
 
Jryan said:
Oh, so you are going to carry this conversation over to freewill? Do you honestly believe we have it? Obviously you do and you have no interest in researching your own body. You disgust me.
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I have disgusted many better people than you when I refused to hire them. I probably won't get any sleep tonight worrying about how much I disgust you.
 
Conservative said:
I have disgusted many better people than you when I refused to hire them. I probably won't get any sleep tonight worrying about how much I disgust you.
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Again with the lack of answers to a question...
 
Jryan said:
Also, knowing you, you won't read it. If, on the chance you actually care about being intellectual, you should read this.

http://www.socialist-federation.org/Books/Sam Harris - Letter To A Christian Nation.pdf

Pathetic thing is, I know you're a christian.
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You are absolutely correct, I have no interest in reading it. I made mine through hard work, risk taking, initiative. Young kids like you don't have a clue and yet waste more time blaming someone else for your own failures. you will grow up someday, hope I am around to see it.

By the way, yes, I am a Christian but don't discuss religion on any thread. I am not going to ever try and convince you but someday you will have to explain your beliefs to someone. I am confortable with my views and yes I believe in free will. I have seen first hand the power of God. You must live a very shallow life without any faith at all.
 
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Conservative said:
You are absolutely correct, I have no interest in reading it. I made mine through hard work, risk taking, initiative. Young kids like you don't have a clue and yet waste more time blaming someone else for your own failures. you will grow up someday, hope I am around to see it.
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lol, my prediction was true, have you watched the movie I recommended? I'm going to bet not, hell I"d even buy stock in that. I'd also buy stock in that you are a christian.
 
Conservative said:
You are absolutely correct, I have no interest in reading it. I made mine through hard work, risk taking, initiative. Young kids like you don't have a clue and yet waste more time blaming someone else for your own failures. you will grow up someday, hope I am around to see it.
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Risk taking? LOL you worked for a corporation in human resources.
 
Jryan said:
lol, my prediction was true, have you watched the movie I recommended? I'm going to bet not, hell I"d even buy stock in that. I'd also buy stock in that you are a christian.
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No question about it, I am a Christian and very confident in my faith. I further believe in free will. I have seen first hand the power of God so it really doesn't matter to me what you believe. I am not going to change your mind nor are you going to change mine.
 
winston53660 said:
Risk taking? LOL you worked for a corporation in human resources.
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So I have been told. No matter how many times I refute it, doesn't matter. You are going to believe what you want to believe but I assure you no Human resource manager ever made as much money as I did in my career. So believe what you want, doesn't matter to me.
 
Conservative said:
No question about it, I am a Christian and very confident in my faith. I further believe in free will. I have seen first hand the power of God so it really doesn't matter to me what you believe. I am not going to change your mind nor are you going to change mine.
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I wasn't asking you to, I was merely asking you to think logically and read something that criticizes the book you so firmly place your faith in.

http://www.socialist-federation.org/Books/Sam Harris - Letter To A Christian Nation.pdf

90 pages, you are retired, give it a shot.
 
Conservative said:
Each year the economy grows and that is the pie, if you aren't getting your share then you have no one to blame but yourself. I can honestly see that the pie is in no danger of you getting a bigger piece.
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When you can not honestly disprove information you return to your pathetic idiotic attack dog mode or ignore or change the subject. If you are representative of conservatism today the conservative party is in trouble. Let me help you again I do not need a bigger piece of the pie, my life is not ruled by what you have or what I have, what I want is to see the opportunities I had passed on to the next generation
 
Jryan said:
I wasn't asking you to, I was merely asking you to think logically and read something that criticizes the book you so firmly place your faith in.

http://www.socialist-federation.org/Books/Sam Harris - Letter To A Christian Nation.pdf

90 pages, you are retired, give it a shot.
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Logic to me is the presence of God in my life and that is all that matters to me. I am not looking for books to change my mind because nothing you can offer will do that. it would be a waste of time for me to read that book and thus I won't be reading it. Someday something will change your mind but then again maybe not, your loss. Too bad, I can remember when I was your age and invinceable although it is logic and common sense that have led to my beliefs so challenging them isn't going to change my mind. Hopefully someday you too will experience what I experienced althoug I can see probably why that hasn't happened in your world.
 
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