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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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I know you can read so apparently you are so stuck on your talking points that you can't ?? Are you a robot?



What is it about I could care less about what you have that you can't under stand? Some of the rich earned "worked for" what they have and some of them stole what they have, which are you?

If you care less about what I have then stop stereotying me into that group that you hate.
 
Not at all. I want people to be successful - wildly successful. If a person through their own talent and hard work makes it big - bully for them and I raise my glass in a toast to them.

My comments were geared to a very narrow slice - the silly claim that the rich got an A in personal economics (as one poster identified it) while in reality many who complain the loudest about the rich getting picked on are only rich because they had the dumb luck to be born into a family of means and inherit it.

They did not earn an A in personal economics - they were given an A along with diapers, formual and a nice stroller.

I just find the whole debate surrounding big groups, whether they be rich or poor disturbing and in many ways simplistic. Within the group of people of means are many that as Ann Richards said a number of years ago born on third base and think they hit a triple, but also a large group of people that started with little and did in fact hit a triple.

That being said, I think you miss a key point in what has made America great. A reason I worked 40 years, averaging at least 60 hours a week was not only to make a better life for myself, but as least as important to give my son a better start than I had. As a nation of immigrants I think many forget that the reason so many come here and work their butts off is so that their children will do better than they did and their grandchildren better yet. Sort of standing on the shoulders of their parents.

Take away that motivation and you take a lot of energy out of the American spirit.

With all of that said, there is room between the extremists on both sides. One side says there should be no estate tax at any level of either tax rate or level of estate left behind. The other extreme says confiscate everything.
 
Paul Ryan defends tax breaks for the rich and gets booed at town hall

"An audience at a town hall in Milton, Wisconsin booed the congressman when he tried to defend his proposal.

“The middle class is disappearing right now,” one constituent at the town hall explained. “During this time of prosperity, the top one percent was taking about ten percent of the total annual income, but yet today we are fighting to not let the tax breaks for the wealthy expire?”

“You have to lower spending. But it’s a matter of there’s nothing wrong with taxing the top because it does not trickle down,” another constituent added.

“We do tax the top,” Ryan explained as the audience booed.

“Let’s remember, most of our jobs come from successful small businesses. Two-thirds of our jobs do. You got to remember, businesses pay taxes individually. So when you raise their tax rates to 44.8 percent, which is what the president is proposing, I would just fundamentally disagree. That is going to hurt job creation.”

Watch this video from Ryan’s town hall."



Paul Ryan defends tax breaks for the rich and gets booed at town hall | Raw Replay
 
I just find the whole debate surrounding big groups, whether they be rich or poor disturbing and in many ways simplistic. Within the group of people of means are many that as Ann Richards said a number of years ago born on third base and think they hit a triple, but also a large group of people that started with little and did in fact hit a triple.

That being said, I think you miss a key point in what has made America great. A reason I worked 40 years, averaging at least 60 hours a week was not only to make a better life for myself, but as least as important to give my son a better start than I had. As a nation of immigrants I think many forget that the reason so many come here and work their butts off is so that their children will do better than they did and their grandchildren better yet. Sort of standing on the shoulders of their parents.

Take away that motivation and you take a lot of energy out of the American spirit.

With all of that said, there is room between the extremists on both sides. One side says there should be no estate tax at any level of either tax rate or level of estate left behind. The other extreme says confiscate everything.


If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case.
 
If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case.

Noticed that you use liberal talking points and talking about fair share, still waiting for you to define fair share when 47% of income earners, mostly 50000 and less don't pay ANY FIT? Keep running and using your talking points.
 
Noticed that you use liberal talking points and talking about fair share, still waiting for you to define fair share when 47% of income earners, mostly 50000 and less don't pay ANY FIT? Keep running and using your talking points.

Can't address the facts so you change the subject. Run, Conservative, run!
 
Can't address the facts so you change the subject. Run, Conservative, run!

That is the subject, raising taxes on the rich when the rich pay most of the taxes now and 47% of income earners pay nothing in FIT. You are the one running so either answer the question or just admit that you are a troll
 
If you care less about what I have then stop stereotying me into that group that you hate.

Is sterotyping your new key word? I will repeat this just for you, I do not hate any one or any thing. You seem to be so hung up on your things, please enjoy them.

If you did not participate in the wall street scams then why do you feel sterotyped. I have to admit I thought about oil speculation but then I thought about taking the food, clothing and housing away from the middle class, the poor and the elderly just so that I could buy a new caddy or new boat or some other toy, I could not do it, I know you said you give money to charity, I do to and I feel good about it, it feels good to help others with my MONEY. It feels better then driving a caddy or buying some new toy

My daughter is a doctor she "worked hard" to get through school, today she is participating in a occupy wall street demonstration, I feel proud of her she could be a me,me,me, I, I, I person but she is not she choses to think about others and knows that along with her hard work she had opportunities that not many get, shes not a taker she's a giver.
 
That is the subject, raising taxes on the rich when the rich pay most of the taxes now and 47% of income earners pay nothing in FIT. You are the one running so either answer the question or just admit that you are a troll

I have already responded regarding the 47% in this thread. However, you have not addressed my point here:

"If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case."

How do you respond, or will you just run away again?
 
Is sterotyping your new key word? I will repeat this just for you, I do not hate any one or any thing. You seem to be so hung up on your things, please enjoy them.

If you did not participate in the wall street scams then why do you feel sterotyped. I have to admit I thought about oil speculation but then I thought about taking the food, clothing and housing away from the middle class, the poor and the elderly just so that I could buy a new caddy or new boat or some other toy, I could not do it, I know you said you give money to charity, I do to and I feel good about it, it feels good to help others with my MONEY. It feels better then driving a caddy or buying some new toy

My daughter is a doctor she "worked hard" to get through school, today she is participating in a occupy wall street demonstration, I feel proud of her she could be a me,me,me, I, I, I person but she is not she choses to think about others and knows that along with her hard work she had opportunities that not many get, shes not a taker she's a giver.

Because Wall Street isn't a scam even though there are some scammers on Wall Street. We have laws to protect investors, so enforce the laws and stop blaming everyone else. Nothing forces you to invest in Wall Street and if you do no one forces you to buy a particular investment so stop blaming everyone else for your failure and everyone else's that you want to blame Wall Street for. Where does personal responsibility lie in your world? If not capitalism, what?

Sorry but your daughter is an idiot because I doubt that she even knows what she is protesting. Instead of wasting her time there do some good and give all her money away so stop with the BS. What purpose does the protest do and just think how that protest is going to look on their resume.
 
Catawba;1059852275]I have already responded regarding the 47% in this thread. However, you have not addressed my point here:

State and local taxes don't fund the Federal govt. nor does FICA(Payroll taxes) but that doesn't stop you and others from distorting the fact.

"If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case."

It shouldn't be your decision or anyone else's what someone does with their money regardless of how much they make. What gives you that right? If you are concerned about the revenue to the govt. put the 25 million plus unemployed and under employed back to work full time paying FIT. Or how about the 47% that make money but have so many loopholes that they don't pay a dime in FIT and in fact some get money back without paying any FIT. I find it interesting how you have no problem with the waste, fraud, and abuse of our taxdollars now that you support sending them more money. At least with your money you know where it goes when you spend it, where does it go when it goes to the govt?

How do you respond, or will you just run away again?

You have run, not me, what is my fair share of FIT, State,and Local taxes. How much of my income do you want and think that I deserve to keep for my efforts?
 
We have laws to protect investors, so enforce the laws and stop blaming everyone else.

Show us the laws that prevent credit default swaps that resulted in the need to bailout the banks???
 
It was our forefathers excellent reason behind all the progressive taxes.

Your definition of forefathers is pathetic

and as usual, your post is based on a lie
 
Is sterotyping your new key word? I will repeat this just for you, I do not hate any one or any thing. You seem to be so hung up on your things, please enjoy them.

If you did not participate in the wall street scams then why do you feel sterotyped. I have to admit I thought about oil speculation but then I thought about taking the food, clothing and housing away from the middle class, the poor and the elderly just so that I could buy a new caddy or new boat or some other toy, I could not do it, I know you said you give money to charity, I do to and I feel good about it, it feels good to help others with my MONEY. It feels better then driving a caddy or buying some new toy

My daughter is a doctor she "worked hard" to get through school, today she is participating in a occupy wall street demonstration, I feel proud of her she could be a me,me,me, I, I, I person but she is not she choses to think about others and knows that along with her hard work she had opportunities that not many get, shes not a taker she's a giver.

They ought to do some work bathing or showering
 
That is the subject, raising taxes on the rich when the rich pay most of the taxes now and 47% of income earners pay nothing in FIT. You are the one running so either answer the question or just admit that you are a troll

Obumble is again engaging in pandering to envy and class warfare. His idea of shared sacrifice is a pathetic joke and he wants to buy votes by taking wealth from those who already subsidize too many ungrateful parasites and politicians
 
State and local taxes don't fund the Federal govt. nor does FICA(Payroll taxes) but that doesn't stop you and others from distorting the fact.

Again you run away from my point ("If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case.") because you have no reasonable response to it. So run, Conservative, run!
 
Your definition of forefathers is pathetic

and as usual, your post is based on a lie

As usual, you have nothing whatsoever to back up your claim.
 
Show us the laws that prevent credit default swaps that resulted in the need to bailout the banks???

I didn't support the bank bailouts but many of the problems started with the CRA and the belief that owning a home was a civil right. Do you have any outrage over Freddie and Fannie? Repeal of Glass Steagall didn't help either. Want to find out who signed CRA and the repeal? When are we getting our money out of Freddie and Fannie?
 
Again you run away from my point ("If your claim that a slightly higher tax for millionaires and billionaires would do away with incentives to be rich than we would have seen no rich people in our history when the tax rates were much higher for millionaires and billionaires then they are today, but that was not the case.") because you have no reasonable response to it. So run, Conservative, run!

Slightly higher? what is slightly higher and what does it generate other than outrage and promotion of class warfare? How about slightly higher than zero from those that aren't paying any taxes, 65 Plus million workers not paying any FIT. Promotion of class warfare ignores the waste, fraud, and abuse by our govt of the tax money they receive yet that doesn't bother you at all.
 
Obumble is again engaging in pandering to envy and class warfare. His idea of shared sacrifice is a pathetic joke and he wants to buy votes by taking wealth from those who already subsidize too many ungrateful parasites and politicians

I watched some of the press conference and got sick to my stomach with all the lies that I had to turn it off and watched the cooking channel at my Mom's. He is a total and complete ass and anyone that supports him falls into that category as well
 
Slightly higher? what is slightly higher and what does it generate other than outrage and promotion of class warfare? How about slightly higher than zero from those that aren't paying any taxes, 65 Plus million workers not paying any FIT. Promotion of class warfare ignores the waste, fraud, and abuse by our govt of the tax money they receive yet that doesn't bother you at all.

Why don't you ever talk about the total tax burden?
 
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