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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Conservative said:
I feel sorry for you, always putting blame on someone else yet never doing a thing to help those that you claim you care about. I cannot believe you ever worked in the private sector. Your articles and you are a waste of time, never offering anything but opinions and never offering a solution. You apparently have no problem with govt. taking personal income and redistributing wealth. Govt has been taking personal income from individuals and today we have more in poverty than anytime in history. Where is your outrage over a govt that steals more and wastes more than Wall Street?
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People who refuse to accept responsibility for their own lot in life tend to fail. what we have on this board are people who are essentially spewing what I call "economic vandalism" sort of similar to the woman who wanted king solomon to cut the baby in half. They realize that they don't have what it takes to be successful so they want the government to prevent others from being successful
 
AdamT said:
OMG, I think you just shattered the irony-O-meter. :2rofll: :2rofll: :2rofll:
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I think that is hilarious coming from you
 
TurtleDude said:
People who refuse to accept responsibility for their own lot in life tend to fail. what we have on this board are people who are essentially spewing what I call "economic vandalism" sort of similar to the woman who wanted king solomon to cut the baby in half. They realize that they don't have what it takes to be successful so they want the government to prevent others from being successful
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Some people realize that they don't have what it takes to be successful -- that they only wear the costume of success because it was handed to them on a platter. Those people are compelled to burry these thoughts to maintain some remnant of self worth. Part of that psychological interment involves throwing dirt on those who didn't have it handed to them on a platter. We can't have those zombies walking around!
 
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Conservative said:
I feel sorry for you, always putting blame on someone else yet never doing a thing to help those that you claim you care about. I cannot believe you ever worked in the private sector. Your articles and you are a waste of time, never offering anything but opinions and never offering a solution. You apparently have no problem with govt. taking personal income and redistributing wealth. Govt has been taking personal income from individuals and today we have more in poverty than anytime in history. Where is your outrage over a govt that steals more and wastes more than Wall Street?
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According to you speculators do not drive up the price of essential needs is that what you are saying? Do you think that just because you say it makes it a fact? Tell me if you are involved in speculating on essential life products how do you sleep at night knowing that millions of people who need these products are unable to buy them. The poor and needy don't have the money to get involved, do you feel better giving back some small portion of what you steal?

Lets see if you can get away from your talking points long enough to explain how speculating does not effect the poor, I read your replies and wonder if you are not a robot you do not address the issues brough up you just restate your talking points
 
muRda;1059841424]I think his argument is more concerned with most public corporations' primary concern of driving up the bottom line. Of course, corporations did not force these people to invest in their companies; however, society as a whole is invested in these companies, and likewise the other way. Let's take everyone's favorite case-in-point capitalist company in Wal-Mart. Why should they afford their employees adequate health care and pensions when that money could be invested elsewhere having been derived from profit instead of written off as an expense or put on the books as a liability?
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Public corporations are an easy mark for liberals and people who want to ignore that all corporations are made up of people. People run corporations, people employ other people, people pay taxes and so do those legal entities called corporations. Without corporations there aren't jobs although those evil big corporations constitute about 20% of the labor force leaving the majority to small corporations and individual proprietors and other entities.

Corporations and all businesses are in business to make money and drive the bottomline. That is the way our economy works and there is absolutely nothing wrong with profit.

I don't think anyone will contend that government (and its spending) is very overreaching at this point in time; otherwise, I think they're just not realizing the vastness of the bureaucratic structure in this country. Considering the vast amount of wealth that individuals have tied up in the capital structure of major corporations, I don't find it necessary for a good chunk of the population to pay taxes where they have not sustained anywhere near as great a benefit from this country's policies, resources, and citizens.
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I would love for you and all others to define for me the role of the Federal Govt, the state govt, and local governments, then tell me why we need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget? What exactly does a federal bureaucrat know about a social problem in your state and town? Why should we send tax dollars to D.C. so they can turn around and send it where they want instead of where is needed.

Also, I wouldn't entirely blame this country's debt problems on the generosity to those in this country not here legally and those unmotivated to be employed. Much of the country's expenses are wrapped up in military spending that has our country's imperialistic measures in a dick-measuring contest with that of England's back in its heyday.
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To answer this you need to define the role of the Federal Govt. and then look at the Federal Budget line items. Get back to me when you have done that for when you do you will find that the vast majority of the budget ISN'T military spending. Stop buying what you are told and actually getting the facts.
 
EarlzP said:
According to you speculators do not drive up the price of essential needs is that what you are saying? Do you think that just because you say it makes it a fact? Tell me if you are involved in speculating on essential life products how do you sleep at night knowing that millions of people who need these products are unable to buy them. The poor and needy don't have the money to get involved, do you feel better giving back some small portion of what you steal?

Lets see if you can get away from your talking points long enough to explain how speculating does not effect the poor, I read your replies and wonder if you are not a robot you do not address the issues brough up you just restate your talking points
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Speculators affect a very small percentage of the people in this country but are an easy target for people like you. What happens when these people lose money, when corporations lose money, when risk takers lose money. It is easy for people like you to attack those who have been successful and claim they are the majority when the reality is they are the minority. Risk taking is what made this country great. The answer is always competition and you exercising your right to buy from whomever you want. Do it!!

How do you know what I do with MY money? You speculate and really don't have a clue.

How did speculating hurt you? It didn't hurt me at all because I make choices and hold myself responsible for those choices. You ought to try that approach.
 
Conservative said:
Speculators affect a very small percentage of the people in this country but are an easy target for people like you. What happens when these people lose money, when corporations lose money, when risk takers lose money. It is easy for people like you to attack those who have been successful and claim they are the majority when the reality is they are the minority. Risk taking is what made this country great. The answer is always competition and you exercising your right to buy from whomever you want. Do it!!

How do you know what I do with MY money? You speculate and really don't have a clue.

How did speculating hurt you? It didn't hurt me at all because I make choices and hold myself responsible for those choices. You ought to try that approach.
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More baloney I have repeatedly explained how speculation drives up prices of life essential products, products that people need to survive, I have supplied sources to verify my claims and you just totally ignore why? Because you can not dispute the facts with any thing other then your tired talking points.

I did not claim you are involved in speculation but if you support it you are no different then those who speculate on
life essential needs
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If they want to speculate on coffee, tea or other non essential needs I could care less, but when speculating causes prices to go up on life essential needs that's when it should be regulated to control the profits that speculators can make.

This is what I wrote

Tell me if you are involved in speculating on essential life products how do you sleep at night knowing that millions of people who need these products are unable to buy them.
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Try reading before reacting
 
EarlzP said:
More baloney I have repeatedly explained how speculation drives up prices of life essential products, products that people need to survive, I have supplied sources to verify my claims and you just totally ignore why? Because you can not dispute the facts with any thing other then your tired talking points.

I did not claim you are involved in speculation but if you support it you are no different then those who speculate on If they want to speculate on coffee, tea or other non essential needs I could care less, but when speculating causes prices to go up on life essential needs that's when it should be regulated to control the profits that speculators can make.

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Try reading before reacting
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You gave me your partisan, non professional, non factual opinions not backed by data. This country has over 310 MILLION people and you pick out a small percentage and claim that is the normal. Not sure where you live but you need to get out more.
 
AdamT said:
Some people realize that they don't have what it takes to be successful -- that they only wear the costume of success because it was handed to them on a platter. Those people are compelled to burry these thoughts to maintain some remnant of self worth. Part of that psychological interment involves throwing dirt on those who didn't have it handed to them on a platter. We can't have those zombies walking around!
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You seem rather bitter. are you mad at your parents?
 
Conservative said:
You gave me your partisan, non professional, non factual opinions not backed by data. This country has over 310 MILLION people and you pick out a small percentage and claim that is the normal. Not sure where you live but you need to get out more.
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I must have hit on a nerve and as usual the only facts you present are the ones in your mind, Speculation drives up the price of a drum of crude oil at least 27dollars per drum, that is not the only cost associated with speculating on just one commodity crude oil. Any cost associated with the crude is passed on to the consumer that includes other life essential needs like food, clothing. Your attempts to minimize ther impact of speculation on life essential needs indicates just how greedy you are, the republicans attempts to block regulation shows their loyalty to the rich

Koch Brothers in Forefront of Oil Speculation | West Orlando News Online 2011® Central Florida News, Info, Sports

Koch Brothers in Forefront of Oil Speculation

Sky-high gas prices and record volatility are in large part the result of excessive oil speculation, an oil market corrupted by unregulated Wall Street traders who buy and hold onto oil futures contracts with no interest in the actual delivery of oil.

The Koch Industries, an oil pipelines and refining company, is in the forefront of speculating on oil for profit.

Even Goldman Sachs concedes that at least $27 of the price of crude this year has been as a result of rampant speculation, not supply and demand, according to thinkprogress.org. Other experts have said that number is closer to fifty dollars.
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Undoubtedlt you will reply using your factless talking points, some of the rich use their money to steal from every one especially the poor and elderly, The Koch Brothers are the money behind the tea baggers, the republicans have been and are waging a war against the poor and middle class of our country
 
EarlzP said:
I must have hit on a nerve and as usual the only facts you present are the ones in your mind, Speculation drives up the price of a drum of crude oil at least 27dollars per drum, that is not the only cost associated with speculating on just one commodity crude oil. Any cost associated with the crude is passed on to the consumer that includes other life essential needs like food, clothing. Your attempts to minimize ther impact of speculation on life essential needs indicates just how greedy you are, the republicans attempts to block regulation shows their loyalty to the rich


Undoubtedlt you will reply using your factless talking points, some of the rich use their money to steal from every one especially the poor and elderly, The Koch Brothers are the money behind the tea baggers, the republicans have been and are waging a war against the poor and middle class of our country
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Did you really work in the private sector? If so how many people did you screw? You hate corporations so much yet retired off a pension from one of those evil corporations. Why?

You really don't seem to understand personal responsibility and choice. Don't buy from companies that you believe are screwing the public but realize that many seniors get dividends to supplement SS from those evil oil companies and millions of Americans have jobs due to those evil corportions but that means you would have to think beyond your partisanship.

Do you really care about the "little people?" Why not where their contributions are going? How many people do you believe those contributions could have helped out of poverty

Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors: 1990-2010

Union and contribution to political party, Democrats first column and Republicans Second number

Democrats Republicans
American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees $40,281,900 $ 547,700
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 29,705,600 679,000
National Education Association 27,679,300 2,005,200
Service Employees International Union 26,368,470 98,700
Communication Workers of America 26,305,500 125,300
Service Employees International Union 26,252,000 1,086,200
Laborers Union 25,734,000 2,138,000
American Federation of Teachers 25,682,800 200,000
United Auto Workers 25,082,200 182,700
Teamsters Union 24,926,400 1,822,000
Carpenters and Joiners Union 24,094,100 2,658,000
Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union 23,875,600 226,300
United Food and Commercial Workers Union 23,182,000 334,200
AFL-CIO 17,124,300 713,500
Sheet Metal Workers Union 16,347,200 342,800
Plumbers & Pipefitters Union 14,790,000 818,500
Operating Engineers Union 13,840,000 2,309,500
Airline Pilots Association 12,806,600 2,398,300
International Association of Firefighters 12,421,700 2,685,400
United Transportation Workers 11,807,000 1,459,300
Ironworkers Union 11,638,900 936,000
American Postal Workers Union 11,633,100 544,300
Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association 8,135,400 2,294,600
Seafarers International Union 6,726,800 1,281,300
 
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Conservative said:
Did you really work in the private sector? If so how many people did you screw? You hate corporations so much yet retired off a pension from one of those evil corporations. Why?

You really don't seem to understand personal responsibility and choice. Don't buy from companies that you believe are screwing the public but realize that many seniors get dividends to supplement SS from those evil oil companies and millions of Americans have jobs due to those evil corportions but that means you would have to think beyond your partisanship.

Do you really care about the "little people?" Why not where their contributions are going? How many people do you believe those contributions could have helped out of poverty

Leading Union Political Campaign Contributors: 1990-2010

Union and contribution to political party, Democrats first column and Republicans Second number

Democrats Republicans
American Fed. of State, County, & Municipal Employees $40,281,900 $ 547,700
International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers 29,705,600 679,000
National Education Association 27,679,300 2,005,200
Service Employees International Union 26,368,470 98,700
Communication Workers of America 26,305,500 125,300
Service Employees International Union 26,252,000 1,086,200
Laborers Union 25,734,000 2,138,000
American Federation of Teachers 25,682,800 200,000
United Auto Workers 25,082,200 182,700
Teamsters Union 24,926,400 1,822,000
Carpenters and Joiners Union 24,094,100 2,658,000
Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union 23,875,600 226,300
United Food and Commercial Workers Union 23,182,000 334,200
AFL-CIO 17,124,300 713,500
Sheet Metal Workers Union 16,347,200 342,800
Plumbers & Pipefitters Union 14,790,000 818,500
Operating Engineers Union 13,840,000 2,309,500
Airline Pilots Association 12,806,600 2,398,300
International Association of Firefighters 12,421,700 2,685,400
United Transportation Workers 11,807,000 1,459,300
Ironworkers Union 11,638,900 936,000
American Postal Workers Union 11,633,100 544,300
Nat'l Active & Retired Fed. Employees Association 8,135,400 2,294,600
Seafarers International Union 6,726,800 1,281,300
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Instead of facts disputing the economic impact of Wall Street on the middle class,poor and elderly you rant on changing the subject, why? Because you can't dispute the facts, you can no longer say that the rich do not steal from the poor, some of the rich made their fortunes by taking the food out of the mouths of the poor and elderly, by making the poor and elderly choose between food/medicine and heating their homes.

If you have used your wealth to make more money to inflate prices that makes it easy to see why you are so defensive, Wall Street needs to be regulated especially in areas that effect the essential needs of our society
 
EarlzP said:
Instead of facts disputing the economic impact of Wall Street on the middle class,poor and elderly you rant on changing the subject, why? Because you can't dispute the facts, you can no longer say that the rich do not steal from the poor, some of the rich made their fortunes by taking the food out of the mouths of the poor and elderly, by making the poor and elderly choose between food/medicine and heating their homes.

If you have used your wealth to make more money to inflate prices that makes it easy to see why you are so defensive, Wall Street needs to be regulated especially in areas that effect the essential needs of our society
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Rich people aren't the reason why poor people are poor. Poor people are the reason why poor people are poor
 
TurtleDude said:
Rich people aren't the reason why poor people are poor. Poor people are the reason why poor people are poor
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Since you bring it up, what is the state of income mobility in the United States?
 
EarlzP said:
Instead of facts disputing the economic impact of Wall Street on the middle class,poor and elderly you rant on changing the subject, why? Because you can't dispute the facts, you can no longer say that the rich do not steal from the poor, some of the rich made their fortunes by taking the food out of the mouths of the poor and elderly, by making the poor and elderly choose between food/medicine and heating their homes.

If you have used your wealth to make more money to inflate prices that makes it easy to see why you are so defensive, Wall Street needs to be regulated especially in areas that effect the essential needs of our society
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You make wild accusations that you never back up with data showing how many people have been screwed by speculators and Wall Street. Still waiting for that data? Op ed articles are opinions not fact especially coming from online sites. The only thing that really needs to be regulated is ignorance and that isn't possible although liberals use the stupid for their own advantage and gain.
 
TurtleDude said:
Rich people aren't the reason why poor people are poor. Poor people are the reason why poor people are poor
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Some of the rich feed on the poor, why because they can not defend them selves, being rich does not give you carte blanche to steal from the poor
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Since you bring it up, what is the state of income mobility in the United States?
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it has decreased due to dependency and the excuses the elite left make for failure and sloth
 
EarlzP said:
Some of the rich feed on the poor, why because they can not defend them selves, being rich does not give you carte blanche to steal from the poor
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What moronic braindead nonsense. I don't know a single cannibal in the USA.
 
Conservative said:
You make wild accusations that you never back up with data showing how many people have been screwed by speculators and Wall Street. Still waiting for that data? Op ed articles are opinions not fact especially coming from online sites. The only thing that really needs to be regulated is ignorance and that isn't possible although liberals use the stupid for their own advantage and gain.
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7 billion, 1.4 billion live in poverty every living breathing person is effected by speculation, some parasites get rich because of it and some can't feed,clothe orfeed their families because of it
 
TurtleDude said:
it has decreased due to dependency and the excuses the elite left make for failure and sloth
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At best, we can describe this statement as intellectually dishonest. Income mobility will naturally diminish during periods of unsustainable economic growth. Negative employment shocks (as in the one experienced between Q2 2008-Q2 2009) only exacerbate the problem.
 
EarlzP said:
7 billion, 1.4 billion live in poverty every living breathing person is effected by speculation, some parasites get rich because of it and some can't feed,clothe orfeed their families because of it
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Now how can that be with a 3.7 TRILLION Dollar budget and 14.6 TRILLION Dollar debt mostly due to programs like the "War on Poverty!" Yet people like you ignore the waste, fraud, and abuse of the govt. to focus on that which you can control. You don't like how business works don't buy from them. Try not paying your taxes and keep buying the leftwing rhetoric.

Your numbers, 7 billion and 1.4 billion live in Poverty? There are 310 MILLION Americans
 
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Conservative said:
Now how can that be with a 3.7 TRILLION Dollar budget and 14.6 TRILLION Dollar debt mostly due to programs like the "War on Poverty!" Yet people like you ignore the waste, fraud, and abuse of the govt. to focus on that which you can control. You don't like how business works don't buy from them. Try not paying your taxes and keep buying the leftwing rhetoric.

Your numbers, 7 billion and 1.4 billion live in Poverty? There are 310 MILLION Americans
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We live in a global economy 7 billion people 1.4 billion living in poverty. This is not how business works this is how the rich steal from the poor. Millions have lost their jobs due to Wall Street, millions have lost money they were saving for their retirements all to make the rich parasites richer at the expence of the poor and elderly. Lost jobs means less tax revenues and what do the parasitic thieves do they cut programs from the very people that they stole the money from. But for people like you who value money more then life it's easy to point your fingers at those you are stealing from. Do you know what life essential needs are? Life essential needs are not new cars in the drive way or expensive vacations life essential needs are food, clothing and shelter the poor and elderly have no choice but to pay the speculator inflated prices.

Occupy Wall Street people are waking up to the Wall Street Scam, 2012 will be a referendum on Wall Street and those who support the parasites that work there
 
Goldenboy219 said:
At best, we can describe this statement as intellectually dishonest. Income mobility will naturally diminish during periods of unsustainable economic growth. Negative employment shocks (as in the one experienced between Q2 2008-Q2 2009) only exacerbate the problem.
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I believe what i say and I doubt you can disprove what I say or establish I am intellectually dishonest.
 
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