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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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It seems you failed to address the issue presented which is that the "Bush Tax Cuts" impacted many more than the "rich". So why is it that a President that calls for shared sacrifice wants to get rid of this benefit for top earners. Perhaps his request would be better received if he and perhaps you were a bit more honest and called for the tax cuts to be eliminated in their entirety. Not doing so leaves you open to turtle's views.

I did so try to convince Barack to a bit different approach but just when I thought I converted him, those guys from Treasury came in and the rest is history. My connections only go so far it would seem. ;)
 
Moving the goal posts again it would seem. Five minutes ago it was whining about positive results. Now its shifting gears and a new monster rears its ugly head -.

I answered your post, you don't like the answer because you know it is the truth.
 
Indeed they did with the largest cuts going to the richest. And the Dems cannot pander on this issue since it was a Republican President and 92% of the YES votes to pass the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts came from Republicans.... as has been well established and documented.

That is a lie, the cuts were the same for all, it just happens that the people who pay the most are going to get the biggest dollar amount.
 
I already provided documentation of Treasury data that proves it, and you could provide nothing to refute it.

What I proved is that tax revenue went up after the Bush tax cuts were implemented. You are showing projections that ignore human behavior and actual results. There is no way of knowing what the actual numbers would have been without the Bush tax cuts. Are you proposing elimination of all the tax cuts or just those on the rich?
 
Over the time I have been here Earl, I have learned the value that Turtledude brings to the election campaign. You've seen his posts...........could there be a better example for the moderates and independent working class not to vote for the positions expressed in his posts???

Just relish each time he says the working class are pathetic leeches.

Yeah this forum is stocked full of the "feed me feed me" little bird voters who are going to get upset
 
You freely use both phrases in your posts.

Normally to rebut the claims of those who base their parasitic desires upon such terms
 
So what? Some income has been collected in a legal manner from the very wealthy and has been utilized to run the peoples government and spend it on programs approved and endorsed by the peoples government.

If the very wealthy do indeed - as you put it - NEED the money than they have now - despite it being more than 95 to 98% of the American people have - they need some good lessons in money management and budgeting. After all, that is how you folks on the right keep turning the tables on the US government. You righties keep preaching that the government has plenty of money, they do NOT need more, they simply need to manage it better and spend it more wisely. So this same principle should apply to the very wealthy and part of their built in spending should be taxation which benefits this nation and its people.

Such a claim would have maybe an iota of legitimacy if it was only applied to those making millions a week. But your party is targeting (and those most affected, in terms of monetary impact and numbers) those making between 200K and a few million a year who are not making more than they could ever spend
 
"Like Warren Buffett, hip hop mogul Russell Simmons, whose net worth is estimated at $340 million, is calling on President Obama to raise his taxes. “For far too long in this country we have allowed the rich to get richer and the poor to get poorer,” Simmons wrote, calling on policymakers to preserve social safety net programs for the most needy. Simmons, who has also joined with the Occupy Wall Street protests, appeared on MSNBC today to discuss his cause. “All my employees — every single one — paid more taxes than I did,” he said, noting that he donated $10 million to charity and thus received big tax breaks. “We need to make the rich pay their fair share.”

Simmons also shot down conservative claims that raising taxes on the wealthy would hurt job creation, saying he makes all his hiring decisions based on pre-tax, not post-tax income."



LOL, this guy speaks for everyone who actually earns 200K or more a year. Since there is a 95% chance he voted for Obama all I can say is BFD
 
Thanks to mike for agreeing with me that both sides of the ledger need to be looked at.

answer the question about the effect on local sales taxes from an earlier post.

Hay, I may agree both sides of ledger needs to be looked at, but I have continued to say cut spending first. Now, what about it since you support raising federal taxes. Could this not harm local and State govt that rely on sales taxes?

your like a politician. You respond to what you like and dodge the most important parts.
 
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answer the question about the effect on local sales taxes.

Hay, I may agree both sides of ledger needs to be looked at, but I have continued to say cut spending first. Now, what about it since you support raising federal taxes. Could this not harm local and State govt that rely on sales taxes?

Here is the deal

dems need to keep spending to buy the votes of their constituents who tend to be those who want handouts in large numbers

to "justify" this increased spending, the dems have to pretend to pay for it and jacking up taxes on the rich is how they will
 
Here is the deal

dems need to keep spending to buy the votes of their constituents who tend to be those who want handouts in large numbers

to "justify" this increased spending, the dems have to pretend to pay for it and jacking up taxes on the rich is how they will

You are right
jacking up taxes on the rich is how they will

In the United States, President Barack Obama has called for a new minimum tax called the "Buffett Rule" for American households that make more than $1 million annually. A recent USA Today/Gallup poll showed 66 percent of Americans support increasing income taxes for wealthy individuals.

66% of Americans, can you read that, grab your money and run, opps read on it does not appear that you can out run your taxes

U.S. citizens are liable to U.S. tax wherever they are in the world, making it virtually impossible for them to become legal tax exiles -- a possibility open to Europeans, many of whom have set up home in tax havens like Monaco and Britain's Channel Islands.
Americans cannot even escape these obligations by renouncing their citizenship, says Sydney E. Unger, a partner in the tax department of New York law firm Kaye Scholer LLP.
"If you want to renounce...you have to file tax returns for (the) last five years, and there is now an imposed exit tax. If you have a lot of assets, you have to pay tax on them as if you had sold them," he said.
 
You are right



66% of Americans, can you read that, grab your money and run, opps read on it does not appear that you can out run your taxes

we get the fact that you think other people ought to fund your existence
 
we get the fact that you think other people ought to fund your existence

I started working at 8 years of age, at 13 I had my first full time job, I have worked my entire life, I never took a penny from my parents or you or any of your buddies, the difference between you and me is that I under stand how fortunate I have been. You worship money I worship life, I feel compassion for those less fortunate then I you feel contempt for those less fortunate. I know that it takes every one to protect our country you think you can buy protection
 
I started working at 8 years of age, at 13 I had my first full time job, I have worked my entire life, I never took a penny from my parents or you or any of your buddies, the difference between you and me is that I under stand how fortunate I have been. You worship money I worship life, I feel compassion for those less fortunate then I you feel contempt for those less fortunate. I know that it takes every one to protect our country you think you can buy protection

You piss and moan about the rich constantly. You think the rich sit around their golf clubs figuring out ways to piss on your head and put their boots on your neck
 
Yeah this forum is stocked full of the "feed me feed me" little bird voters who are going to get upset

It's also filled with people who are so full of themselves that they assume everyone envies them and so deluded that they think everyone who disagrees with them must be welfare mamas.
 
Fairly weak response. We expect better from you. It seems you failed to address the issue presented which is that the "Bush Tax Cuts" impacted many more than the "rich". So why is it that a President that calls for shared sacrifice wants to get rid of this benefit for top earners. Perhaps his request would be better received if he and perhaps you were a bit more honest and called for the tax cuts to be eliminated in their entirety. Not doing so leaves you open to turtle's views.
Methinks the President is in the same line thinking as the public is.

Updated Tax Polls | Capital Gains and Games
 
Yeah this forum is stocked full of the "feed me feed me" little bird voters who are going to get upset

Maybe they will just go away, what do you think?

Robert Reich, Op-Ed: “Among other items, Republicans are demanding major cuts in a nutrition program for low-income women and children. The appropriation bill the House passed June 16 would deny benefits to more than 700,000 eligible low-income women and young children next year. What kind of country are we living in? More than one in three families with young children is now living in poverty (37 percent, to be exact) according to a recent analysis of Census data by Northeastern University’s Center for Labor Market Studies.”

2012 the end


In its second week, hundreds of people have taken over Liberty Square as part of Occupy Wall Street. What started as a loosely organized protest against the corrupting impact that Wall Street and big financial institutions have had on our democracy seems to be growing into something larger. The persistence and increasing organization of the mostly young protestors is tapping into the pain and disillusionment that millions of young Americans across the nation are feeling as they face bleak economic prospects that show little sign of improving.

As the Occupy Wall Street protestors lift up the pain that young Americans are experiencing and take it directly to the heart of our country’s corrupted financial system, other movements composed of homeowners, the jobless, faith leaders and the growing ranks of the poor are doing the same. And even better, these groups are demanding that the very banks that caused the economic mess in the first place take specific actions to clean it up and get the economy back on track.

Earlier this week in California, homeowners, community members, faith leaders and students protested and shut down an auction of foreclosed homes as part of a week-long series of actions to demand that the nation’s big banks stop the foreclosure crisis from wreaking any more havoc on their communities.

In Ohio, community leaders and union members sent a clear message to U.S. Bank to “clean up the mess they caused” by delivering trash they had collected from a bank-owned foreclosed property to a bank branch.

And in Boston, at least 1,000 people are expected to take to the streets on Friday for a march on Bank of America. They plan to hold a peaceful sit-in at the bank’s Massachusetts headquarters to demand that BofA reduce principal on inflated home mortgages in Boston.
 
Maybe they will just go away, what do you think?



2012 the end

Please explain why this is a Federal Taxpayer responsibility? These are local problems that have never been solved by the Federal Govt or the national taxpayers.
 
Please explain why this is a Federal Taxpayer responsibility? These are local problems that have never been solved by the Federal Govt or the national taxpayers.

The answer is easy
Wall Street is/has been stealing from the people
and the people are waking up. Wall Street makes the rich richer at the expense of the poor, elderly and middle class citizens of this country
 
That's easy, because those that get most of their income from investments received a bigger tax cut of their total income than did the middle class who work for a living.

Again a response without thought. These cuts took millions of people off the federal tax system. Millions did not get a reduction to their tax bill, they now pay no tax. I would have expected the above response from Hay, who gave you the thumbs up, but again that is thinking that is lacking a basis in reality.

Is it enough on this site to just hate so much that the truth have no meaning, if so that is not debate, just mindless spewing back and forth.
 
The answer is easy and the people are waking up. Wall Street makes the rich richer at the expense of the poor, elderly and middle class citizens of this country

Can you explain to us what wall street is currently doing that is making the rich richer at the expense of the poor, elderly and middle class?
 
The answer is easy and the people are waking up. Wall Street makes the rich richer at the expense of the poor, elderly and middle class citizens of this country

What does Wall Street have to do with the problem? You really think the poor are investing in Wall Street? I have an alarm in my house and have yet seen Wall Street enter my house to steal anything. Sorry you had a bad experience with Wall Street as it probably isn't a place you should be investing. Your argument is bogus and makes no sense. Your outrage over Wall Street is just another excuse people make to divert from their own failures and acceptance of personal responsibility.
 
Please explain why this is a Federal Taxpayer responsibility? These are local problems that have never been solved by the Federal Govt or the national taxpayers.

Were they ever solved locally?
 
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