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lpast said:
My take on a fair assessment of blame is...bush spent like a trooper..created the biggest social program since SS with prescription drug program which was created to protect rich Pharma and thier pricing...which is sell it to the rest of the world for half price or less and bury americans in horrific prices.
There was a revolt starting over being allowed to buy drugs from canada at half the price and mexico for 5cts on a dollar...bush was ready to pass a law to ban buying from canada and he was lambasted...so up pops the drug giveaway program with the CLAUSE govt cannot negotiate lower prices from the drug companies.....and bush gave away the first 700 billion....he got this started and obama followed up with bad decisions...
Ok its both their faults....now what are we going to do about it...aside from insisting on giving the rich and corps huge tax cuts and giving away more billions in stimulus....
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What you are missing is that the Democrat alternative was much, much more expensive as they wanted more spending on Medicare Part D than they ended up getting. Bush gets the blame but many ignore the debate at the time. The further away from the time of that debate the more inaccurate the information becomes.

What we are going to do about it is fire Obama and put some confidence back into the U.S. economy. The economic conditions were worse in the 81-82 than they are now due to the high interest rates, high inflation on top of rising unemployment. Demonization of individual wealthcare and promotion of class warfare benefits no one and makes the situation worse.
 
TurtleDude said:
1) the tea party opposes the government taking more taxes from anyone

2) the tea party opposes wasteful government spending-much of which we could eliminate without compromising needed or necessary services

3) taxes being raised on the "rich" will do nothing to alleviate the problems you speak of
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No im sorry they do not advocate not raising taxs for everyone...they advocate not raising taxs on the richest americans and corporations and INSIST everyone else pays more....thats exactly what ryans plan was turtle...now is just the worst time to be tieing the country in knots and making it impotent while more and more people have nothing and losing everything.
 
donc said:
how many votes did he make that created the problems that you attribute to him?
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He voted for the 2009 budget, he voted for TARP, and then signed the stimulus package that did nothing to help the economy. His voting record during the 2007-2008 Democrat control of Congress is in the Congressional record but he voted almost 100% for the Democrat programs those years and that is what led to the recession
 
Conservative said:
What you are missing is that the Democrat alternative was much, much more expensive as they wanted more spending on Medicare Part D than they ended up getting. Bush gets the blame but many ignore the debate at the time.
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You keep saying this, but you never have shown this to be true. The Democrats wanted Medicare to be able to bargain with the drug companies just like the Veteran's administration does. But the Bush administration refused to allow this to happen. Can you say crony capitalism???
 
Conservative said:
He voted for the 2009 budget, he voted for TARP, and then signed the stimulus package that did nothing to help the economy. His voting record during the 2007-2008 Democrat control of Congress is in the Congressional record but he voted almost 100% for the Democrat programs those years and that is what led to the recession
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It’s a hoot watching you spin. bush had twelve vetoes during his two terms, its not like he didn’t know where he had the veto stamp stashed.:mrgreen:
 
pbrauer said:
You keep saying this, but you never have shown this to be true. The Democrats wanted Medicare to be able to bargain with the drug companies just like the Veteran's administration does. But the Bush administration refused to allow this to happen. Can you say crony capitalism???
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It is foolish to relive this but if you must go back and Read what Kennedy was pushing and then get back to me.
 
donc said:
It’s a hoot watching you spin. bush had twelve vetoes during his two terms, its not like he didn’t know where he had the veto stamp stashed.:mrgreen:
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That wasn't the question you asked and I did answer your question. You don't like the answer, tough! Obama is responsible for 4 trillion dollars added to the debt in 3 years and inherited nothing that he didn't help create.
 
Conservative said:
It is foolish to relive this but if you must go back and Read what Kennedy was pushing and then get back to me.
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I'm you could summarize in 25 words or less, Con. :lamo
 
pbrauer said:
I'm you could summarize in 25 words or less, Con. :lamo
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I will be happy to do so when you start a thread on that topic. The Medicare Part D bill has nothing to do with this thread topic but is another attempt on your part to divert the thread.
 
Conservative said:
That wasn't the question you asked and I did answer your question. You don't like the answer, tough! Obama is responsible for 4 trillion dollars added to the debt in 3 years and inherited nothing that he didn't help create.
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When i ask this question
how many votes did he make that created the problems that you attribute to him?
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i thought that you would have had a clue that his vote was just one yea vote in the senate, which included these two Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea.

But sigh… I guess my hoping that you would have a clue were for naught.:(
 
Conservative said:
I will be happy to do so when you start a thread on that topic. The Medicare Part D bill has nothing to do with this thread topic but is another attempt on your part to divert the thread.
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Extreme irony

 
winston53660 said:
Extreme irony

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typical trolling and baiting on your part. Pass this information on to Pb Here is the bottomline from the negotiations

The estimated cost for the House Republican plan is $310 billion over a 10-year period of time. The House Democrat's plan has an estimated cost of at least $800 billion over the 10-year period of time, while the Senate Democrat's plan would run between $400 billion to $500 billion over the same 10-year period of time.
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So don't give me the typical liberal bs that Bush busted the budget and his drug program led to greater debt than the Democrat Plans would have generated.
 
Conservative said:
typical trolling and baiting on your part. Pass this information on to Pb Here is the bottomline from the negotiations
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Say what ever you want con. I just find it extremely ironic when you are telling people to stay on topic. I'm sure others do too.



So don't give me the typical liberal bs that Bush busted the budget and his drug program led to greater debt than the Democrat Plans would have generated.
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And unfunded drug program, couple of wars, tax cuts..............
 
winston53660 said:
Say what ever you want con. I just find it extremely ironic when you are telling people to stay on topic. I'm sure others do too.

And unfunded drug program, couple of wars, tax cuts..............
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Are you sending your tax cut back? Unfunded drug program? You are right we should have accepted the Democrat House version at 800 billion or the Senate version at 500 billion?

Just like a typical liberal, ignore what the Democrats proposed but attack the Republican bill and legislation. I can see from your posts why you want the govt. to get more of the taxpayer money. Why not just give me your address so we can eliminate the middleman and I can just send you a check?
 
Conservative said:
Are you sending your tax cut back? Unfunded drug program? You are right we should have accepted the Democrat House version at 800 billion or the Senate version at 500 billion?

Just like a typical liberal, ignore what the Democrats proposed but attack the Republican bill and legislation. I can see from your posts why you want the govt. to get more of the taxpayer money. Why not just give me your address so we can eliminate the middleman and I can just send you a check?
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Hey Winston, give him your Nigeria address.:mrgreen:
 
Conservative said:
Are you sending your tax cut back? Unfunded drug program? You are right we should have accepted the Democrat House version at 800 billion or the Senate version at 500 billion?

Just like a typical liberal, ignore what the Democrats proposed but attack the Republican bill and legislation. I can see from your posts why you want the govt. to get more of the taxpayer money. Why not just give me your address so we can eliminate the middleman and I can just send you a check?
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Wow you really have a lot of nerve calling someone "typical" of anything when all you have is cliche talking points straight out the Republican hand book.
 
winston53660 said:
Wow you really have a lot of nerve calling someone "typical" of anything when all you have is cliche talking points straight out the Republican hand book.
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Guess that handbook is made up of bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury website. Still waiting for your address but apparently you prefer having the money go to the politicians that created the 14.6 trillion dollar debt first. Why anyone would want higher taxes to fund this waste, fraud, and abuse is quite telling.
 
pbrauer said:
You say the stimulus failed, but the non partisan CBO says it didn't. Where is you data to show it failed?? BTW, as for Obama being fired... He will gracefully leave office Jan 20, 2017 and that fact burns conservatives asses.
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Do I have to remind you that Obama said "if we pass this stimulus now unemployment will not go above 8%"
 
Born Free said:
Do I have to remind you that Obama said "if we pass this stimulus now unemployment will not go above 8%"
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Do I have to remind you that he NEVER said that?
 
pbrauer said:
Out of curiosity, how much do you think a cruise missile cost?:roll:
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You want to compare what a cruise missile cost with losing 535 million on Solyndra, let me put it to you this way, at least we got something for our investment in a cruise missile, and we got nothing for our investment in Solyndra. Well, we did get something, an increase in our national debt. Thank you very much.
 
Born Free said:
You want to compare what a cruise missile cost with losing 535 million on Solyndra, let me put it to you this way, at least we got something for our investment in a cruise missile, and we got nothing for our investment in Solyndra. Well, we did get something, an increase in our national debt. Thank you very much.
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How much benefit did we get out of the $12 billion that disappeared off the back of a pickup truck in Iraq?

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish | World news | The Guardian
 
washunut said:
Didn't your parents teach you two wrongs don't make a right?
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One of those wrongs was about 24X wronger than the other. Surprisingly I don't recall a lot of upset among the conservative community.
 
AdamT said:
One of those wrongs was about 24X wronger than the other. Surprisingly I don't recall a lot of upset among the conservative community.
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I was upset about it. As a matter of fact I was/am upset about the war to start with. same with the escalation in Afghanistan, but then again I am not part of the conservative community. Just a someone who blindly agrees with a political statement just because it was made by a democrat.
 
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