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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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cpwill said:
Obama has a jihad against the financial stocks?

..... how did Obama vote when we decided to bail these institutions out, again? When Buffet bought into Goldman Sachs and then petitioned the Government to ensure his bet would succeed, Obama was against that? Obama has a Jihad against General Electric? Is that why it's CEO is one of his chief advisers, and they are allowed to get away with paying no taxes (instead getting a nice check courtesy of U.S. Taxpayer)?
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You probably never heard about Dodd-frank. You probably do not know that the Federal government has lawsuits against most of the major banks. You probably have no idea that the largest banks are selling below tangible book value.

The GE thing is a strawman. GE did nothing wrong. They did what most individuals do which is to avail themselves of all the deductions and credits they are allowed. Ge is one of the best manufacturing companies in the world. What are they supposed to do, pay MORE than the law requires? Stop the silliness.
 
washunut said:
You probably never heard about Dodd-frank. You probably do not know that the Federal government has lawsuits against most of the major banks. You probably have no idea that the largest banks are selling below tangible book value.

The GE thing is a strawman. GE did nothing wrong. They did what most individuals do which is to avail themselves of all the deductions and credits they are allowed. Ge is one of the best manufacturing companies in the world. What are they supposed to do, pay MORE than the law requires? Stop the silliness.
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So corporations are good, and within their legal rights to take advantage of tax laws, as long as the support Obama and Co. But, if they are traditionally conservative in nature, and develop things like oil, then all of the sudden they are greedy, and social parasites that are sucking from the taxpayer those same legal tax write offs in GE's case become "subsidies" and the attack is on....


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
So corporations are good, and within their legal rights to take advantage of tax laws, as long as the support Obama and Co. But, if they are traditionally conservative in nature, and develop things like oil, then all of the sudden they are greedy, and social parasites that are sucking from the taxpayer those same legal tax write offs in GE's case become "subsidies" and the attack is on....j-mac
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Typical conservative response, did President Obama write the tax laws, did President Obama's administration write the tax laws? Is President Obama trying to close the loop holes in tax laws? Are the conservatives and thier die hard supporters refusing to close tax loop holes?

The attack continues against the poor, the elderly and the middle class. Taxes need to be raised and loop holes need to be closed that will help slow the transfer of wealth
 
EarlzP said:
Typical conservative response, did President Obama write the tax laws, did President Obama's administration write the tax laws? Is President Obama trying to close the loop holes in tax laws? Are the conservatives and thier die hard supporters refusing to close tax loop holes?

The attack continues against the poor, the elderly and the middle class. Taxes need to be raised and loop holes need to be closed that will help slow the transfer of wealth
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Give me a break, Obama had total control of the Congress in 2009-2010 so why didn't he change the tax code then? Keep buying the Obama rhetoric. Obama has spent over a trillion dollars and bailed out liberal constituent groups. Guess you continue to expect the taxpayers to fund the liberal spending appetite.
 
Conservative said:
Give me a break, Obama had total control of the Congress in 2009-2010 so why didn't he change the tax code then? Keep buying the Obama rhetoric. Obama has spent over a trillion dollars and bailed out liberal constituent groups. Guess you continue to expect the taxpayers to fund the liberal spending appetite.
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I won't argue that President Obama dropped the ball when he had it in his court, he absolutely should have used his majority in both houses to push his campaign planks, he should have closed tax loop holes and not only ended the President Bush tax breaks but should have increased taxes. He was to willing to negotiate with the right wing and it took him to long to realize that they were not there to negotiate only to push their right wing agenda which is to continue the transfer of wealth from the poor/elderly and middle class to the rich.

His failure to act quickly does not relieve or give the right wing license to continue to plunder the wealth of our country, In 2012 the gig will be up
 
EarlzP said:
I won't argue that President Obama dropped the ball when he had it in his court, he absolutely should have used his majority in both houses to push his campaign planks, he should have closed tax loop holes and not only ended the President Bush tax breaks but should have increased taxes. He was to willing to negotiate with the right wing and it took him to long to realize that they were not there to negotiate only to push their right wing agenda which is to continue the transfer of wealth from the poor/elderly and middle class to the rich.

His failure to act quickly does not relieve or give the right wing license to continue to plunder the wealth of our country, In 2012 the gig will be up
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there is only one group plundering the wealth of this country all in an agenda driven campaign to keep people dependent and thus keeping their jobs and that would be the liberal politicians. The rich don't care what someone else makes and would like to see even you join the group. Liberals however promote class warfare and seek to redistribute everyone else's wealth but theirs. That so called right wing is focused on deficit reduction not expansion of the deficits like Obama continues to do. Instead of buying the rhetoric why aren't you doing some research?
 
Conservative said:
there is only one group plundering the wealth of this country all in an agenda driven campaign to keep people dependent and thus keeping their jobs and that would be the liberal politicians.
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The bolded part is pure BS when you consider that the top one percent have 38.3% of all privately held stock, 60.6% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity in our country.:roll:
 
Conservative said:
there is only one group plundering the wealth of this country all in an agenda driven campaign to keep people dependent and thus keeping their jobs and that would be the liberal politicians. The rich don't care what someone else makes and would like to see even you join the group. Liberals however promote class warfare and seek to redistribute everyone else's wealth but theirs. That so called right wing is focused on deficit reduction not expansion of the deficits like Obama continues to do. Instead of buying the rhetoric why aren't you doing some research?
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93% of the countries wealth is controlled by 10% of the people that means that 7% of the countries wealth is controlled by the remaining 80 percent of the the people. Rhetoric?

Top 1 Percent Control 42 Percent of Financial Wealth in the U.S. – How Average Americans are Lured into Debt Servitude by Promises of Mega Wealth.
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How was the wealth accumulated by the wealthiest individuals? They did not work for it, they stole it from those most in need by stock manipulation, through derivatives, though speculating, through hedge funds, through predatory lending. Money does not just disappear into thin air the poor does not have it, the middle class does not have it, the rich have the money that seemingly disappeared from the face of the earth, they stole it from the elderly and poor
 
EarlzP said:
93% of the countries wealth is controlled by 10% of the people that means that 7% of the countries wealth is controlled by the remaining 80 percent of the the people. Rhetoric?



How was the wealth accumulated by the wealthiest individuals? They did not work for it, they stole it from those most in need by stock manipulation, through derivatives, though speculating, through hedge funds, through predatory lending. Money does not just disappear into thin air the poor does not have it, the middle class does not have it, the rich have the money that seemingly disappeared from the face of the earth, they stole it from the elderly and poor
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that is bs and you know it but regardless what it is, why aren't you part of that group? I can see what is holding you back. I am still waiting for why you care so much what the wealthy have. this isn't a fixed size pie as it continues to grow. Having a large percentage of the wealth doesn't prevent other from joining in and getting their piece. How did any rich person make someone else poor? Your jealousy is showing and like far too many you blame others for your own failures. the rich want you to join them. Redistribution of their wealth isn't the answer.
 
donc said:
The bolded part is pure BS when you consider that the top one percent have 38.3% of all privately held stock, 60.6% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity in our country.:roll:
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So what? Class envy and warfare is all you have. The economy grows, the stock values grow, financial securities grow so what is preventing you or anyone else from getting a bigger part of the pie?
 
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Conservative;So what?
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SO WHAT!!! is all you have, when posting this lie? (there is only one group plundering the wealth of this country).

Show me how a group that owns less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth can plunder the wealth of this country?:shock:



Class envy and warfare is all you have.
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Not envy but a sense of loss and fairness comes to mind, the sense of loss comes creeping into the dome. The loss of our soon to be extent middleclass, paralleling the growth of the top one percent owning an ever increasing percent of our nations wealth.

its not envy that this ole driver sees in the crystal ball…maybe warfare though. the term of let them eat cake stands out in bolded letters.:(
 
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EarlzP said:
93% of the countries wealth is controlled by 10% of the people that means that 7% of the countries wealth is controlled by the remaining 80 percent of the the people. Rhetoric?



How was the wealth accumulated by the wealthiest individuals? They did not work for it, they stole it from those most in need by stock manipulation, through derivatives, though speculating, through hedge funds, through predatory lending. Money does not just disappear into thin air the poor does not have it, the middle class does not have it, the rich have the money that seemingly disappeared from the face of the earth, they stole it from the elderly and poor
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the longer the game is played the more the best will win and the more the least talented will lose
 
EarlzP said:
93% of the countries wealth is controlled by 10% of the people that means that 7% of the countries wealth is controlled by the remaining 80 percent of the the people. Rhetoric?



How was the wealth accumulated by the wealthiest individuals? They did not work for it, they stole it from those most in need by stock manipulation, through derivatives, though speculating, through hedge funds, through predatory lending. Money does not just disappear into thin air the poor does not have it, the middle class does not have it, the rich have the money that seemingly disappeared from the face of the earth, they stole it from the elderly and poor
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So now Warren Buffet is a thief as well as Bill Gates, the guy who created Facebook, the Google founders. Just these few names account for 200-300 billion of wealth. Now we know that it is only because they stole their wealth from fellow Americans, thanks for the heads up!
 
donc said:
SO WHAT!!! is all you have, when posting this lie? (there is only one group plundering the wealth of this country).

Show me how a group that owns less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth can plunder the wealth of this country?:shock:


Not envy but a sense of loss and fairness comes to mind, the sense of loss comes creeping into the dome. The loss of our soon to be extent middleclass, paralleling the growth of the top one percent owning an ever increasing percent of our nations wealth.

its not envy that this ole driver sees in the crystal ball…maybe warfare though. the term of let them eat cake stands out in bolded letters.:(
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You don't have a clue how our economy works. It isn't a fixed economy, it is one that grows and continues to grow. Everyone here has equal opportunity, what you want is equal outcome. You are absolutely wrong.

You actually seem to think that those that earned the money and wealth should share it with someone else who doesn't have the initiative or drive to do it. So WHAT? Get a clue and stop supporting the clueless.
 
Conservative said:
You don't have a clue how our economy works. It isn't a fixed economy, it is one that grows and continues to grow. Everyone here has equal opportunity, what you want is equal outcome. You are absolutely wrong.

You actually seem to think that those that earned the money and wealth should share it with someone else who doesn't have the initiative or drive to do it. So WHAT? Get a clue and stop supporting the clueless.
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If the clueless couldn't vote, most dem leaders wouldn't spend much time justifying the transfer of wealth to them
 
Conservative said:
You don't have a clue how our economy works. It isn't a fixed economy, it is one that grows and continues to grow. Everyone here has equal opportunity, what you want is equal outcome. You are absolutely wrong.

You actually seem to think that those that earned the money and wealth should share it with someone else who doesn't have the initiative or drive to do it. So WHAT? Get a clue and stop supporting the clueless.
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So you think that 20 million out of work or underemployed is economic growth or is it the 13 trillion dollars of debt we are now in or is it the trade deficit or the transfer in wealth?

Any one who causes the prices of life essential needs to increase is stealing from the poor,the elderly and middle class in this country, those who speculate or support speculators, those who are engaged in predatory lending or profit from it, those who manipulate or profit from the manipulation of stock prices, those who are willing to let a sick person die, those who support the cutting of social security, medicare and other programs that benefit the poor all of those people that value the almightly dollar more then a human life are the real parasites
 
EarlzP said:
So you think that 20 million out of work or underemployed is economic growth or is it the 13 trillion dollars of debt we are now in or is it the trade deficit or the transfer in wealth?

Any one who causes the prices of life essential needs to increase is stealing from the poor,the elderly and middle class in this country, those who speculate or support speculators, those who are engaged in predatory lending or profit from it, those who manipulate or profit from the manipulation of stock prices, those who are willing to let a sick person die, those who support the cutting of social security, medicare and other programs that benefit the poor all of those people that value the almightly dollar more then a human life are the real parasites
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that's just plain silly.
 
Thunder said:
if the whiny rich don't vote, the GOP will be homeless.
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the whiny rich tend to be the rich democrats. them not voting is fine with me. but the main reason rich elitist dems spend so much time shedding crocodile tears for the poor is to gain votes from both the poor and the pillowheaded utopians who might actually care about the poor (often more than the poor care for themselves)

its all about buying votes
 
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You don't have a clue how our economy works.
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Sure I do.

It isn't a fixed economy, it is one that grows and continues to grow.
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It seems to be growing more at the top lately though.


Everyone here has equal opportunity, what you want is equal outcome.
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No they don’t.


You are absolutely wrong.
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Nah,your wrong.

You actually seem to think that those that earned the money and wealth should share it with someone else who doesn't have the initiative or drive to do it.
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No I don’t, I think that those that make most of the dough should pay a higher percentage of tax on said dough.


So WHAT? Get a clue and stop supporting the clueless.
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I got a clue…you might want to trade the ole crystal ball in on a newer 21st century model.:2wave:
 
TurtleDude said:
If the clueless couldn't vote, most dem leaders wouldn't spend much time justifying the transfer of wealth to them
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I’m gonna get in my big ole truck and head for the queen city and steal me some turtle bucks.:mrgreen:
 
donc said:
Sure I do.



It seems to be growing more at the top lately though.




No they don’t.



Nah,your wrong.




No I don’t, I think that those that make most of the dough should pay a higher percentage of tax on said dough.





I got a clue…you might want to trade the ole crystal ball in on a newer 21st century model.:2wave:
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you are partially right, de facto there is not equal opportunity. But government cannot properly even up differences in intelligence, genes, parents, ambition, looks, athletic talent and all the other things that obviously contribute to income inequality. but we do have de jure equality and that is the best we can do

I disagree that having more means you should pay a higher rate. there is no legitimate argument for higher rates. higher amounts, perhaps,
 
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