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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Obama has created this as an emotional campaign issue and it is based upon distortions and lies. What he is talking about are the very few that are making big bucks all on investments thus paying 15%. the amount of money that will be collected by the Treasury from those individuals at a higher tax rate is a drop in the bucket but Obama isn't selling it this way at all insinuating that it is a much bigger number and that all Millionaires are in that classification.

Why anyone believes this ass is beyond me.

Buffetts slurpage of Obama fails to note that many people making a million or more have mainly salary income meaning they are paying a 35% rate which is far higher than the middle class

He's an asshole and a fraud If he wants to pay more he should but for him to extrapolate his position and project it onto everyone making more than a million is a joke

he also benefits by the economy that causes businesses to fail which he then buys up for pennies on the dollar.
 
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..this is the crap we get when libs spew nonsense about fairness based on a real motivation of pandering and class warfare

I'm curious since you like to go on so much about being "fair" and the poor paying their "fair" share do you think it is "fair" that most likely people in your income bracket are paying less than you do?
 
Then you can quote and link them for me no problem. Thank you in advance.

do your own research. You lapped up his garbage not me
 
I'm curious since you like to go on so much about being "fair" and the poor paying their "fair" share do you think it is "fair" that most likely people in your income bracket are paying less than you do?

I oppose all taxes on income.
 
do your own research. You lapped up his garbage not me

So you cannot back up your numbers. Good, we can throw out your garbage claims and stick with what we have documented.
 
again note the impossibility of his dream of pandering.

In addition how would he know the mortgage interest deductions of his employees, number of dependents, amount of charity paid, and long term capital gains they may have through a mutual fund, medical expenses.....

Total B.S., but he gets a pass a "Uncle Warren" the kindly old gent from Neb.
 
Fact Check: The Rich, Their Secretaries and Taxes - ABC News

$10 million a year paid 22 percent.
- $1 million to $10 million paid 25 percent.
- $50,000 to $75,000 paid 7 percent.
The rate for the middle-income filers drop because many individual deductions and tax credits are phased out for higher income taxpayers.


IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes At Higher Rate Than Middle Class | Fox News

That source does not back up your 60k claim, nor does it say anything which would invalidate what I have said in any way. Care to try again?
 
That source does not back up your 60k claim, nor does it say anything which would invalidate what I have said in any way. Care to try again?

why don't you tell me what an average secretary in Omaha makes then

here is an interesting look at it
Fausta's Blog » Blog Archive » Just how much money does Warren Buffett’s secretary make?


Bad Example: Holy Crap! How Much Does Warren Buffet's Secretary Make?


Who is Debbie Bosanek? Warren Buffett's secretary declines to talk about tax reform. - By Annie Lowrey - Slate Magazine
 
I understand your attitude towards the Iraq War as obviously you had family there or some friends for why else would you be so upset over something that happened 8 years ago. Between the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars the cost according to the Treasury was 1.4 trillion over 10 years or 140 billion a year so instead of 14.5 trillion debt without both wars it would be 13.1 trillion. Now of course Afghanistan is the "good" war therefore that has to be added back onto the 13.1 trillion debt so looks to me like your outrage is misguided. By the way I had three family members in Iraq and they believe we did the right thing, but nothing is going to change your mind.

Fortunately, my people did not lose their lives, nor were they maimed for for the rest of their lives as thousands of our troops did unnecessarily. You are also underestimating the financial cost as well, because you are not including the trillion it will take to pay to replace the munitions used and to provide care for the thousands that were maimed and injured, and you are not including the decade long cost of a military larger than needed for defense. The experts have put the cost at somewhere near $3 trillion dollars for our so called war on terror.

As for the 4 trillion, the 2009, 2010, 2011 deficits total 4 trillion dollars. You can find out by going to the U.S. Treasury site and look at the budgets.

I not going to attempt to prove something you made up. Either you can back up your claim, or you can't.
 

See, I try and help you out, I link to what Buffett actually said, and yet you continue to not read it. Perhaps you can show me where in his editorial he said the word "secretary".
 
See, I try and help you out, I link to what Buffett actually said, and yet you continue to not read it. Perhaps you can show me where in his editorial he said the word "secretary".

the point is Buffett won't say what she makes so we have no clue if he is being honest

the average secretary in Omaha makes far less than the amount needed for him to be truthful.
 
Fortunately, my people did not lose their lives, nor were they maimed for for the rest of their lives as thousands of our troops did unnecessarily. You are also underestimating the financial cost as well, because you are not including the trillion it will take to pay to replace the munitions used and to provide care for the thousands that were maimed and injured, and you are not including the decade long cost of a military larger than needed for defense. The experts have put the cost at somewhere near $3 trillion dollars for our so called war on terror.


I not going to attempt to prove something you made up. Either you can back up your claim, or you can't.

The actual budgets and deficits back up my claim, you offer your opinions which you pass off as fact. I will take the Treasury data over your opinion.
 
the point is Buffett won't say what she makes so we have no clue if he is being honest

the average secretary in Omaha makes far less than the amount needed for him to be truthful.

She is not the average secretary.
 
the point is Buffett won't say what she makes so we have no clue if he is being honest

the average secretary in Omaha makes far less than the amount needed for him to be truthful.

No, the point is Buffett did not mention his secretary. The point is you are arguing against something you have obviously not read. The point is you are using bad logic to argue against something you imagine some one else said, but they really didn't.
 
What's the difference? Get over your envy and deal with the real issue, which is that we need to lower deficits and part of that is raising revenue. Millionaires can afford to pay more without affecting their lifestyles, unlike the middle class and poor. They are also among the very few who have actually prosphered throughout the Great Recession, AND they are paying at a FAR lower rate than they have since the 1940s. It's a no brainer.
 
then try this out, it deals with that rather well
The Buffett bluff

If you want to know more about Warren Buffet's comparison, why not go back to his letter in the NY times?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html?_r=2&src=me&ref=general

While he doesn't explicitly state how much his secretary or the other 19 people in his office that he mentions make, he does tell you which taxes he's comparing.

Warren Buffet said:
To understand why, you need to examine the sources of government revenue. Last year about 80 percent of these revenues came from personal income taxes and payroll taxes. The mega-rich pay income taxes at a rate of 15 percent on most of their earnings but pay practically nothing in payroll taxes. It’s a different story for the middle class: typically, they fall into the 15 percent and 25 percent income tax brackets, and then are hit with heavy payroll taxes to boot.

Federal income tax + payroll taxes. Is he wrong? Is he lying? Was he trying to deceive you in his clearly stated letter?
 
NOt from the far left extremists

Actually, with WND, you turned off the far left liberals, the moderate liberals, the Reagan democrats, the independents, the moderates, and the intelligent conservatives. many of us refuse to even click on WND links since we don't want them to get more page views so they can claim their truther **** is more viable.
 
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