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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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Thunder said:
why can wealthy people afford to pay more in taxes?

is this the silly question you are asking me?
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why should they, they already pay more than they should

why don't you pay more
 
Thunder said:
why do they pay more than they should?

compared to the last 80 years, they pay A LOT less than they used to.
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so does everyone else but the rich pay more of the income tax burden now than they have in the last several decades
 
The Giant Noodle said:
I find it a huge ball of cat crap that the folks that make more dont give to their Country what they should.
I freakin HATE taxes but at this moment in time its a reality.
Turtle in MY world there would be NO welfare. There would be NO UNIONS. But I live in reality.
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Where was the determination made that they are not already giving to this country "what they should"?
 
For all the bitching Republicans do about taxes, I would think that they would be happy that nearly half the people pay no income taxes. Instead, they bitch and complain that people are not paying enough in taxes. You just can't win with some people.

If they want to blame someone for this, then blame Reagan. Ronald Reagan made the decision in 1986 to exempt people with incomes below the poverty line from federal income tax.
 
TurtleDude said:
so do you and you don't pay near as much as they do

I asked what they GET IN ADDITION TO WHAT OTHERS GET FOR PAYING SO MUCH MORE TAXES
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Certainly those with more wealth have more benefit from things like the military preventing a foreign country coming in and taking all their possessions. Take all the possessions of the bottom 50% of the country and they're barely worse off than they are now. The system also allowed them to prosper. Perhaps they took advantage of the capitalist system in place to use their wealth as an investment to increase the size of their wealth. Something the bottom 50% of the country can't really do since most of their income is spent on living expenses. And if it weren't for public education and regulation keeping the population healthy, it would be hard to find employees or buyers for their goods, assuming they have businesses.
 
Thunder said:
my entire argument in this and similar threads have been based on common sense, logic, and rational thinking.

the more money you earn, the more money you have, the more money you can afford to pay in taxes.

this ain't rocket science Turtledude.
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You keep repeating this same exact post. I already replied to it and explained exactly how confused you are. For the love of God if you are going to pretend like you know something at least come up with a few more ways to say it. Your ignorance is a prime example of why this country is in a nose dive. You don't hhave the slightest clue what common sense and logic are.
 
TurtleDude said:
I pay over 300k a year in income taxes. I'll tell you what, when you pay as much as I do you will have room to talk. I suspect I pay more in a year than you have in your life
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Interesting. And how much of that money did you EARN, as opposed to inheriting? As a wise man once said, "Its time for those who have been subsidized by others to either give up all the goodies they expect from others, or step up and start paying for what they demand".
 
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TurtleDude said:
nice propaganda. the war on poverty has been a failure and has probably created more poor people, It certainly has cost thousands of lives too in terms of criminals spawned by single parent homes and illegitimacy. it enriched bureaucrats, greatly expanded the government and cost us trillions
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I agree, the war on poverty has been a failure and has probably increased rather than decreased the number of people in poverty. Not that it's not a worthy cause, it's just the implementation is terrible. Unfortunately, you get a lot of highly emotional sympathetic individuals pushing for laws and if someone suggests a cost/benefit analysis they're heartless and cruel. So a lot of what gets done in that war is "feel good" legislation, not effective legislation.
 
Antiderivative said:
For all the bitching Republicans do about taxes, I would think that they would be happy that nearly half the people pay no income taxes. Instead, they bitch and complain that people are not paying enough in taxes. You just can't win with some people.

If they want to blame someone for this, then blame Reagan. Ronald Reagan made the decision in 1986 to exempt people with incomes below the poverty line from federal income tax.
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You are missing the point, Liberals are calling for the rich to pay more and that brings into play the numbers that aren't paying anything. How can anyone claim that the rich need to pay their fair share when they are paying 38% of the taxes now and 47% of the income earners aren't paying any FIT. Apparently their fair share is zero, right?

Republicans don't believe we have a revenue problem but instead a spending problem. If you really want more revenue then get it from those not paying any FIT.
 
Thunder said:
why can wealthy people afford to pay more in taxes?

is this the silly question you are asking me?
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Nobody is arguing why they can afford more. They are arguing that you are not entitled to it just because you are jealous that somebody has more than you do. You are a pathetic bottom feeder.
 
vvx said:
Certainly those with more wealth have more benefit from things like the military preventing a foreign country coming in and taking all their possessions. Take all the possessions of the bottom 50% of the country and they're barely worse off than they are now. The system also allowed them to prosper. Perhaps they took advantage of the capitalist system in place to use their wealth as an investment to increase the size of their wealth. Something the bottom 50% of the country can't really do since most of their income is spent on living expenses. And if it weren't for public education and regulation keeping the population healthy, it would be hard to find employees or buyers for their goods, assuming they have businesses.
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You are just making that stuff up

but the top one percent pay 13 Times the income taxes as the bottom 50%. DO you claim that the top 1% use 13 TIMES AS MUCH GOVERNMENT SERVICES as the bottom 50%?
 
Thunder said:
why do they pay more than they should?

compared to the last 80 years, they pay A LOT less than they used to.
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Because they pay more than you do.... It is common sense and logic...The most simple kind. Math, learn it.
 
Smokified said:
Nobody is arguing why they can afford more. They are arguing that you are not entitled to it just because you are jealous that somebody has more than you do. You are a pathetic bottom feeder.
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careful I don't want you being banned and that sort of insult can be infracted.

and jealousy does have much to do with some of these posts
 
TurtleDude said:
You are just making that stuff up

but the top one percent pay 13 Times the income taxes as the bottom 50%. DO you claim that the top 1% use 13 TIMES AS MUCH GOVERNMENT SERVICES as the bottom 50%?
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The top four HUNDRED earners, let alone the top 1%, have the equivalent net worth of the bottom 50%.
 
Antiderivative said:
For all the bitching Republicans do about taxes, I would think that they would be happy that nearly half the people pay no income taxes. Instead, they bitch and complain that people are not paying enough in taxes. You just can't win with some people.

If they want to blame someone for this, then blame Reagan. Ronald Reagan made the decision in 1986 to exempt people with incomes below the poverty line from federal income tax.
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It is amazing how the ignorant are good at only one thing. Twisting reality. The republicans are not bitching about taxes, they are bitching about spending. They are also pointing out that taxing the rich is a stupid idea. Not only would it not even dent the debt situation but the rich would just leave pinning the burdon on the middle class more than you feel it is now. Instead of just being in a blind rage over your lack of comprehension as to what is occuring around you, sit down, shut up and learn something.
 
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Thunder said:
accusing people of jealousy and envy is not gonna win this argument.
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What if we throw in "class warfare" and "socialist". Does that win the day? ;)
 
AdamT said:
The top four HUNDRED earners, let alone the top 1%, have the equivalent net worth of the bottom 50%.
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That is irrelevant to this argument and is also irrelevant in a free market society. If you want a piece of everyone's pie you can always move to China or Russia.
 
Thunder said:
accusing people of jealousy and envy is not gonna win this argument.
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You have yet to even pose an argument, and not posing an argument is not going to win one either.
 
Smokified said:
That is irrelevant to this argument and is also irrelevant in a free market society. If you want a piece of everyone's pie you can always move to China or Russia.
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If you want to live in a 100% free market society you better go start one somewhere, because there's no such thing on this earth. Nor would it last long if there was.
 
AdamT said:
The top four HUNDRED earners, let alone the top 1%, have the equivalent net worth of the bottom 50%.
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so what? they sure don't use as much

You keep forgetting that the from each according to their ability nonsense doesn't work

and its a tax on income and the rich pay a far higher share of the income tax than their share of the income while the bottom 50% pay a far lower share of the income tax than their share of the income

the bottom 50% use far more,

If they cannot pay more for what they use than they ought to use less and they certainly should not be voting for higher rates for others
 
Smokified said:
That is irrelevant to this argument and is also irrelevant in a free market society. If you want a piece of everyone's pie you can always move to China or Russia.
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I love this attitude. If you don't like the status quo with wealth distribution, you are communist. Myself, I feel that one's wealth should be based on one's skills/ability, and the effort they expend. That is to say, you should earn it. If you are better at something compared to someone else, you should earn more money than that person. If you work harder than someone else, all else equal, you should also make more money. Yet, somehow, this makes me a communist? (It is true, I don't think wealth or success should be a birthright. If that makes me a communist, a communist I am.)
 
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