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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure you can but I can back mine up. Feel free to try.
    you have failed to back up your claim that your racist quote was "popular".

    care to try to back it up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You offer nothing more in facts then your own greedy needy whining, you avoid needing to verify your rhetoric by never presenting any thing more then your boring repetious talking points, I was not the first and will not be the last to see what has been going on in this country, the transfer of wealth is not fictional it's a fact, the money never trickled down it defied gravity and when to the top, the protest at wall street means that people are catching on.

    Your not safe you just think you are when the parasites stealing from the poor and middle class have stolen as much as they can they will come for what you value so much your precious dollars.
    If I don't offer facts it shouldn't be any problem for you to refute them with facts but you have yet to do that instead preferring to believe the opinion of others and passing those opinions off as fact. There is indeed a transfer of wealth from the income producers of this country to the govt. so they can redistribute it as they see fit. I see no outrage over taking taxpayer money and forcing it to the govt. so it can be wasted and used to create the current 14.6 trillion dollar debt.

    What you don't understand is that the economy of this country isn't finite, it continues to grow meaning that the pie continues to get bigger. Your claims that the rich are "stealing" from the poor is absolute class warfare and based upon nothing other than jealousy on your part as well as total lack of understanding of what equal opportunity means. Your idea of equal opportunity means govt. forcing equal outcome and that doesn't work anywhere in the world.

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    Whenever I hear Obama or some other Dem or liberal talk about how the wealthiest need to pay their fare shair... technically they are already paying the most as it is, technically. Our tax codes often allow for write offs that exempt them from the actual tax bracket and percentage they should be paying. Gifts that only they get to have. Hard working middle class Americans working 50-60 or even more hrs a week and they do pay their actual percentage of tax bracket. The working wealthy, many of whom are driven and also work many long hrs, invest wisely, and spend and save responsibly.... I am not in the camp that punishes success.

    Our country screwed up big time with the progressive tax system. Flat tax, everyone pays the same percentage, no deductions. It would simplfy our taxes and make it sooo much harder for tax evasion. Many wealthy liberal minded people who utilize the system complain about the very thing that they are doing. How many though actually pay what they say wealthy should be paying, or paying their fair share yadda yadda yadda.....

    For Obama and the dems, it is a campaign slogan for election/re-election. They've had the power to change it, but somehow the cracks just keep getting bigger. Not sure yet how GE has been allowed several billion in profit and yet not pay taxes on it. Their should be tax bill alone would have solved a majority of the teacher pay/shortage issue. "pay their fair share" well, its right there, so make them pay at least what they are suppose to be paying now, rather than nothing at all. I make around 1k a week and pay more in taxes than they do at over 60m a week. I think it would only be fair if they paid the same percentage as I do, and solve much of the teacher issue in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure you can but I can back mine up. Feel free to try.
    No, actually you cannot back up being educated or not being subject to ignorance, nor being any smarter than others. The best you could do is point to a degree, which proves none of those. Your feeling of superiority is simply that, a feeling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure you can but I can back mine up. Feel free to try.
    feeling that you are superior is just that....a feeling.

    and that's all it is.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    If I don't offer facts it shouldn't be any problem for you to refute them with facts but you have yet to do that instead preferring to believe the opinion of others and passing those opinions off as fact. There is indeed a transfer of wealth from the income producers of this country to the govt. so they can redistribute it as they see fit. I see no outrage over taking taxpayer money and forcing it to the govt. so it can be wasted and used to create the current 14.6 trillion dollar debt.
    I guess the loop holes created by lobbying the government did not contribute to the deficit, I guess the wars created by the rich so that they could continue to steal tax payer dollars do not contribute to the deficit, I guess that tax payer dollars given to US companies to help them relocate over seas do not contribute to the deficit, I guess the bail outs giving to Wall Street does not contribute to the deficit. I guess trickle down economics did not contribute to the deficit.

    What you don't understand is that the economy of this country isn't finite, it continues to grow meaning that the pie continues to get bigger. Your claims that the rich are "stealing" from the poor is absolute class warfare and based upon nothing other than jealousy on your part as well as total lack of understanding of what equal opportunity means. Your idea of equal opportunity means govt. forcing equal outcome and that doesn't work anywhere in the world.
    What I see growing is the deficit it's getting larger, what I see growing are the salaries and bonuses of CEO'S who should have at the very least been fired for their inability to run stock holder corporations, Your idea of equal opportunity starts and ends with you. The rich are stealing and have been stealing from the poor. The government "we the people" will eventually rein in those who have been involved in the eradication of the middle class and poor.

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    EarlzP;1059830052]I guess the loop holes created by lobbying the government did not contribute to the deficit, I guess the wars created by the rich so that they could continue to steal tax payer dollars do not contribute to the deficit, I guess that tax payer dollars given to US companies to help them relocate over seas do not contribute to the deficit, I guess the bail outs giving to Wall Street does not contribute to the deficit. I guess trickle down economics did not contribute to the deficit.
    You can lobby until hell freezes over but it is the politicians that vote for that legislation and "your" President had total control for his first two years. Now you want to whine about what has happened since January of this year?

    Like all liberals it is always about the wars but that "dog doesn't hunt" in that the the wars cost 1.4 trillion over the last ten years so deducting that from the total debt still has a debt over 13.2 trillion dollars.

    Taxpayer dollars given to companies to move overseas? If liberalism wasn't so opposed to private industry and offered pro business policies there would be no need to move overseas.

    Trickle down never causes debt, spending does and programs like the Great Society, New Deal created most of the debt we have today. Not sure where you get your information but it is misguide.

    What I see growing is the deficit it's getting larger, what I see growing are the salaries and bonuses of CEO'S who should have at the very least been fired for their inability to run stock holder corporations, Your idea of equal opportunity starts and ends with you. The rich are stealing and have been stealing from the poor. The government "we the people" will eventually rein in those who have been involved in the eradication of the middle class and poor.
    Salaries and bonuses of CEO's doesn't create taxpayer debt and is a cost to the companies not the govt. Your concern again is misguided as these are private businesses that don't affect govt. spending. It is up to the companies to address their own expenses but it is up to the politicians to address our national debt but they are too interesting in buying votes.

    Where is your data to support the claim that the rich are stealing from the poor?

    You just don't get it as you have no concept of a growing economy which makes the pie size greater. Anyone has a chance to get a piece of that pie but with the attitude that you and others have will always make yourself out to be the victim instead of seeing this as an opportunity to grow. It really is sad to see this kind of attitude destroying the country.

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    You can lobby until hell freezes over but it is the politicians that vote for that legislation and "your" President had total control for his first two years. Now you want to whine about what has happened since January of this year?

    Like all liberals it is always about the wars but that "dog doesn't hunt" in that the the wars cost 1.4 trillion over the last ten years so deducting that from the total debt still has a debt over 13.2 trillion dollars.
    Like all conservatives well lets say most I don't want to get into stero typing but you do have a way of cherry picking your facts, I am wrong again you just make up or maybe stretch the truth a little so when Ptresident Obama took office the national debt was at
    almost 10 trillion dollars is that 10,000,000,000,000 ???? Holy conservative help us oh wait a minute you are too busy helping your selves to help us, oh pardon my reading conprehension it looks like the national debt might a been around 11 trillion before President George you know who Bush left office

    Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt - - CBS News

    With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency. It's the biggest increase under any president in U.S history. On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. The latest number from the Treasury Department shows the national debt now stands at more than $9.849 trillion. That's a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush's watch.

    The bailout plan now pending in Congress could add hundreds of billions of dollars to the national debt – though President Bush said this morning he expects that over time, "much if not all" of the bailout money "will be paid back." But the government is taking no chances. Buried deep in the hundred pages of bailout legislation is a provision that would raise the statutory ceiling on the national debt to $11.315 trillion. It'll be the 7th time the debt limit has been raised during this administration. In fact it was just two months ago, on July 30, that President Bush signed the Housing and Economic Recovery Act, which contained a provision raising the debt ceiling to $10.615 trillion.
    Taxpayer dollars given to companies to move overseas? If liberalism wasn't so opposed to private industry and offered pro business policies there would be no need to move overseas.
    Pro business policies? that's what we need must a be a new invention some thing never though of during the President George you know who Bush years? My tax dollars being used for American companies to move overseas so that the rich stock holders can have a product being made in the USA for 10 dollars and being sold for 30 dollars made in China for 1 dollar and sold in America for 20 dollars.

    You know before I retired I worked for a major chemical company about 5 years before I retired they sent a mechanical and chemical engineer to China to teach them how to produce the product we made, a year later they pulled all of management together to explain their new business stragedy which was to raise our product pricing to the highest cost per in the world market. They wanted us to believe that our competitors would follow our stragedy, you know I wondered if our CEO and company board members had actually lost their f-ing minds two years later we were out of business. This is the problem that I see in China the government subsidizes their businesses allowing them to undercut the pricing of foreign competition. Being in business and staying in business means beating your competitor in the market place, once a competitor has closed up shop the price per unit reflects the potential supply of that unit. Being competitive means supplying the best product available at the best price in the market for instance the american auto industry CEO's and board members forgot that they had to do more then stamp made in the USA on their vehicles they forgot they had to be dependable and they forgot they had to get good GPM but what the devil they could just blame the UAW for their inability to maintain market share.

    It's you smart make that some of you smart a-- college grads that have no idea of how to maintain market share, any high school grad knows that you have to be competitive to stay in business.

    Trickle down never causes debt, spending does and programs like the Great Society, New Deal created most of the debt we have today. Not sure where you get your information but it is misguide.
    Come on college grad quit double talking did Obama cause this debt or was it the New Deal or Great society, let me ask you some thing what is the daily accumulated interest on 10 trillion dollars? Whoa golly gee look at that on a 10 trillion dollar debt the yearly interest is 451 billion are you reading that 451 billion so lets just say that President Obama has completed his third year the interest in the debt he inherited would be ----------------------- 1,353,000,000,000 trillion? so without spending a cent the debt went from 10 trillion to 11.3 trillion is that right?

    National Debt Interest: U.S. Pays $1.2 Billion Daily
    11/03 (LWN) Early last month, the U.S. national debt reached ten trillion dollars for the first time. With the help of ongoing industry bailouts and unrestrained military spending, it exceeded $10.56 trillion in the month since. Even more significant is the cost in interest on this debt to the government; according to treasurydirect.gov, the govt. will pay $25.3 billion dollars interest in November alone.

    The total cost of interest on the U.S. national debt for 2008 will be approximately $451 billion - one of the largest federal expenditures. This is up from $429B in 2007 and $355B in 1997. The cost will likely become even larger in years to come, as the level of debt continues to increase. Meanwhile, presidential candidates from both major parties continue to promise tax cuts and increased spending on the military, space program, and mortgage bailouts.
    Salaries and bonuses of CEO's doesn't create taxpayer debt and is a cost to the companies not the govt. Your concern again is misguided as these are private businesses that don't affect govt. spending. It is up to the companies to address their own expenses but it is up to the politicians to address our national debt but they are too interesting in buying votes.
    The salaries and bonuses of CEO'S effect the price per unit taking money out of the hands of the majority of american consumers, when massive amounts of money are concentrated in the hands of a few market demand drops meaning that workers are laid off reducing revenues paid, please do not believe that it takes a doctrate in Economics to see what is going on, Do you have a degree in BSing, if so you have failed the course.

    Where is your data to support the claim that the rich are stealing from the poor?
    I do not need data common sense verifies my points our country is in a terrible economic mess and the ones that have benefited from it are those in the top 20% of wealth

    [QUOTE]You just don't get it as you have no concept of a growing economy which makes the pie size greater. Anyone has a chance to get a piece of that pie but with the attitude that you and others have will always make yourself out to be the victim instead of seeing this as an opportunity to grow. It really is sad to see this kind of attitude destroying the country.[/QUOTE

    I would like to think that you just don't get it but you do and now in your greed all you can see is that their is still 7% of this countries wealth to be sucked up to the top, take your money and run with it because 2012 is coming quicker then you think

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