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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a flat tax is not regressive. the rich pay more than the poor.
    You are badly misusing the term PROGRESSIVE. It has nothing to do with the gross amount one pays. It has everything to do with the percentage one pays - progressive meaning that as you progress up the income ladder, so does the percentage rate that you pay.

    By its very nature, a FLAT tax is the opposite of Progressive taxation.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    utter hypocrisy. You love the government playing god and punishing the successful with higher rates. If you really want even treatment there should be a flat rate on all income and all earners

    I can live with that-how about you?
    its just a bit dishonest for you to put words in people's mouths. how about you just quote what they say and respond to it?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You utterly failed. please try again
    Explain. I disagree with you because I believe government needs more revenues, and I'm not a socialist. I'm not a statist either, I'm much more libertarian than statist. Because of that, your claim is incorrect. Need more proof? Look at the white house. Obama isn't a socialist and he wants a tax hike. If he was a socialist he wouldn't have made it to Iowa. Your claim is just simply wrong and over-generalized.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are badly misusing the term PROGRESSIVE. It has nothing to do with the gross amount one pays. It has everything to do with the percentage one pays - progressive meaning that as you progress up the income ladder, so does the percentage rate that you pay.

    By its very nature, a FLAT tax is the opposite of Progressive taxation.
    wrong. a flat fee would be the opposite of a progressive taxation scheme. LIke everyone paying 1000 dollars. a flat tax is progressive in terms of actual dollars and neutral in terms of actual rates



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think the if the republicans were smart they would offer a reverse Buffett Rule where everybody pays the same percentage Buffett alleges to pays. I think most people would be more happy only paying 17.4 percent instead of the 36 percent rate that Buffett alleges that his secretary pays.


    I though you had to make almost $200,000 a year to pay that percentage not $60,000, something is not right about his claim. 2011-2012 Tax Rates Federal Income 2011-2012 Tax Brackets
    He's including FICA tax.

    And I think republicans don't want to cut everyone's taxes to 17.4 percent because at those rates they couldn't afford the government spending they want. I don't think either major political party could fund their desired government off 17.4%. OTOH, a third party like the libertarian party probably could, since they favor much reduced government over the two big ones.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Snevert View Post
    Explain. I disagree with you because I believe government needs more revenues, and I'm not a socialist. I'm not a statist either, I'm much more libertarian than statist. Because of that, your claim is incorrect. Need more proof? Look at the white house. Obama isn't a socialist and he wants a tax hike. If he was a socialist he wouldn't have made it to Iowa. Your claim is just simply wrong and over-generalized.
    I don't care what you are, giving the government more wealth is anathema to true libertarians. Since you don't claim to be a libertarian your rant really has no relevance to my critique of someone who claims to be a libertarian but wants more class warfare based tax increases



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I don't care what you are, giving the government more wealth is anathema to true libertarians. Since you don't claim to be a libertarian your rant really has no relevance to my critique of someone who claims to be a libertarian but wants more class warfare based tax increases
    this phrase is becoming a cliche'.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this phrase is becoming a cliche'.
    No more so than the 'tard in chief saying the rich need to pay their fair share

    not only is that a cliche its a blatant lie he spews to pander to the weak minded and the envious



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Snevert View Post
    Explain. I disagree with you because I believe government needs more revenues, and I'm not a socialist. I'm not a statist either, I'm much more libertarian than statist. Because of that, your claim is incorrect. Need more proof? Look at the white house. Obama isn't a socialist and he wants a tax hike. If he was a socialist he wouldn't have made it to Iowa. Your claim is just simply wrong and over-generalized.
    Why does the govt. need more revenue? Seems to me that you are justifying the size of the govt. as it is? Here are the line items in the budget, how many are duplicated at the state level thus not needed at the Federal Level? I believe we have a spending problem not a revenue problem. Too many ignore that it is the income earner's money first and doesn't belong to the govt.

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    First thing that has to be done is take SS and Medicare out of the budget completely and apply FICA taxes to those items. that reduces the amount of revenue needed down to 2.3 trillion from income taxes, corporate taxes, and excise taxes.. then cut out the categories duplicated at the state level, education, energy, environmental, commerce, agriculture, etc and you have a budget of about 1.5 trillion dollars. Put 25 million people back to work paying taxes and the reduce foreign aid for illegal immigration health care.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No more so than the 'tard in chief saying the rich need to pay their fair share
    Some cliche'. This is the first time I've seen such a statement.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    not only is that a cliche its a blatant lie he spews to pander to the weak minded and the envious
    accusing folks who want to raise the tax-rate on the wealthy to pre-Bush levels, of being "envious", is also becoming a bit of a cliche'.

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