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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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pbrauer said:
Could you please reword that into something decipherable?
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You wanted the wars paid for, the wars cost 1.4 trillion dollars over the past 10 years and the total debt is 14.5 trillion. Paying for the war debt still leaves a 13.1 trillion dollar debt that wasn't caused by the wars. Get it yet? Guess spending in the name of compassion is all that matters to a liberal thus all this social spending that has yet to solve a social problem.
 
Thunder said:
others who are millionaires can afford to pay a little more in taxes. it would help the country a lot.

they can afford it and it will barely affect their spending, if at all.

its common sense. its logical. its not rocket science.
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why should one small group be forced to pay more when the debt was mostly incurred due to the actions of the many

and since you are not a millionaire you don't have the knowledge to make such idiotic claims. many people, rich, middle or poor, expand their spending to similar levels. You. like many tax hikers, think the average millionaire has no more expenses than you do and can afford another 40,000 or a million in taxes
 
TurtleDude said:
true. so the rich should not be taxed for that war alone
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Anyone employed by the MIC (military industrial complex) or who had financial stakes in said firms benefited more so than the rest of the country. This is a fact.
 
Thunder said:
the rich will pay more in taxes. the poor and middle class will lose services.

seems fair to me.
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so you agree that government benefits everyone but the rich

so why should the rich pay even more for something they don't benefit from

of course it seems fair to you. fair to me is you paying EXACTLY the same amount of taxes I do since you get the same benefits. and if you cannot afford it, you should get far less benefits.
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Anyone employed by the MIC (military industrial complex) or who had financial stakes in said firms benefited more so than the rest of the country. This is a fact.
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as did those in the military I suppose. but I have neither. all the wars did was drive up the cost of ammunition. I am a competitive shooter and the cost of 9mm and 5.56mm ammo went up several dollars a 50 due to the war. Thus the war cost me money
 
TurtleDude said:
as did those in the military I suppose. but I have neither. all the wars did was drive up the cost of ammunition. I am a competitive shooter and the cost of 9mm and 5.56mm ammo went up several dollars a 50 due to the war. Thus the war cost me money
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Where is your outrage against such irresponsible spending?

FWIW, the wars drove up our future tax liabilities because they were financed via deficit spending.
 
TurtleDude said:
why shouldn't you liberals pay for the moronic war on poverty which has created tons of problems and wasted far more money than all the wars in the last 50 years
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Um, the so-called war on poverty is an investment in our country. The war in Iraq will eventually cast the American taxpayers $3 Trillion. These costs are not traceable by looking at the Federal budget. The Iraq war was complete loss of money and lives. There is very little if anything good that came out of it.
 
TurtleDude said:
too many people want too much government that others are taxed to pay for

that leads to politicians pandering to the many by promising them more and more handouts combined with a claim that OTHERS will pay for those things
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Turtle do you have an actual proof to back this up, like sources or historical sources or what not? Or is it just your frail opinion?
 
Goldenboy219 said:
Where is your outrage against such irresponsible spending?

FWIW, the wars drove up our future tax liabilities because they were financed via deficit spending.
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so was the idiotic
Great society and other dem welfare schemes

I opposed all the government expansion that the dems started with the New Deal

that crap costs far more than the wars. I was never a supporter of the Iraq war or occupation. we should have killed Hussein to make an example and then got out
 
TurtleDude said:
so you agree that government benefits everyone but the rich..
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the rich collect Social Security.

the rich make use of Medicare.

the rich drive on the roads, walk on the sidewalks, and fly in the air that is maintained, regulated, and protected by the govt.

the rich enjoy the freedoms that are fought for and protected by our million-man military.




the rich don't benefit from the govt? that is the most dishonest thing I've seen here in a while.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Turtle do you have an actual proof to back this up, like sources or historical sources or what not? Or is it just your frail opinion?
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Have you missed THunder's posts? what do you think Obumble does when he spews blatant lies that the rich don't pay their fair share?
 
Thunder said:
the rich collect Social Security.

the rich make use of Medicare.

the rich drive on the roads, walk on the sidewalks, and fly in the air that is maintained, regulated, and protected by the govt.

the rich enjoy the freedoms that are fought for and protected by our million-man military.




the rich don't benefit from the govt? that is the most dishonest thing I've seen here in a while.
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so do you and you don't pay near as much as they do

I asked what they GET IN ADDITION TO WHAT OTHERS GET FOR PAYING SO MUCH MORE TAXES
 
pbrauer said:
Um, the so-called war on poverty is an investment in our country. The war in Iraq will eventually cast the American taxpayers $3 Trillion. These costs are not traceable by looking at the Federal budget. The Iraq war was complete loss of money and lives. There is very little if anything good that came out of it.
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nice propaganda. the war on poverty has been a failure and has probably created more poor people, It certainly has cost thousands of lives too in terms of criminals spawned by single parent homes and illegitimacy. it enriched bureaucrats, greatly expanded the government and cost us trillions
 
pbrauer said:
Um, the so-called war on poverty is an investment in our country. The war in Iraq will eventually cast the American taxpayers $3 Trillion. These costs are not traceable by looking at the Federal budget. The Iraq war was complete loss of money and lives. There is very little if anything good that came out of it.
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Did you have any family member serve in Iraq? As for the war on poverty, you claim it was an investment in our country? When is that investment going to pay off?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/us/14census.html?pagewanted=all

Are you ever going to quit throwing money at the problems facing individuals and accepting the waste, fraud, and abuse that goes with Federal Spending on any issue? Why is spending in the name of compassion that never generates compassionate results always something that liberals like you support? No wonder you believe that the govt. needs more money all because of liberal feelings.
 
TurtleDude said:
so do you and you don't pay near as much as they do

I asked what they GET IN ADDITION TO WHAT OTHERS GET FOR PAYING SO MUCH MORE TAXES
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their great wealth is protected by the govt.

their vast properties are protected by the govt.

I find it disgusting that the FDIC guaruntees $250,000 in bank accounts..for EACH bank account one has..

absolutely disgusting. this is NOT something that I benefit from.
 
TurtleDude said:
so was the idiotic
Great society and other dem welfare schemes

I opposed all the government expansion that the dems started with the New Deal

that crap costs far more than the wars. I was never a supporter of the Iraq war or occupation. we should have killed Hussein to make an example and then got out
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The difference is the trajectory of the money; social welfare benefits increase the revenues for retailers ala walmart or grocers such as Kroger.

Yes, the first step of expenditure (redistribution) is inefficient in a relative sense, but once it flows into American businesses (steps 2 - ∞); a great deal of secondary economic activity is then generated.

When we spend it on Iraq building bridges we bombed, that counts as a leakage and has a minimal impact on the economy (see HAL).
 
TurtleDude said:
are you really so ignorant as to not understand that the top one percent already pay 40% of the income tax and all the death tax and that the top 5% pay more income tax than the rest of the country put together and you spew this idiotic drivel that they don't pay enough? what percentage of the income tax should the top one percent pay?
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Um, how much do they earn and how much of it do the hide? Would you like America to become a plutocracy?
 
TurtleDude said:
so do you and you don't pay near as much as they do

I asked what they GET IN ADDITION TO WHAT OTHERS GET FOR PAYING SO MUCH MORE TAXES
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Amazing how so many people don't understand that individuals pay for SS and Medicare through their payroll taxes, pay for their roads when they buy gasoline. Defense and security doesn't cost 3.7 trillion dollars so amazing how peple try to justify higher taxes when they don't have a clue as to what their taxes fund now
 
Thunder said:
their great wealth is protected by the govt.

their vast properties are protected by the govt.

I find it disgusting that the FDIC guaruntees $250,000 in bank accounts..for EACH bank account one has..

absolutely disgusting. this is NOT something that I benefit from.
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250,000 is peanuts to the uber rich, that helps mainly the middle and upper middle class

the rich pay 40% of the IT taxes. the bottom 50% pay less than 3%

tell me to you believe that the richest 1% use 13 Times as much of the government services than the bottom 50%
 
Thunder said:
not one dime more than they can comfortably afford.
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how are you going to define that and why does from each according to their comfortable ability to pay matter?

why are you against a flat rate

lets see an intellectually based argument
 
Conservative said:
Amazing how so many people don't understand that individuals pay for SS and Medicare through their payroll taxes, pay for their roads when they buy gasoline. Defense and security doesn't cost 3.7 trillion dollars so amazing how peple try to justify higher taxes when they don't have a clue as to what their taxes fund now
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Ignorance and dishonesty permeates most of the tax hike posts
 
TurtleDude said:
how are you going to define that and why does from each according to their comfortable ability to pay matter?

why are you against a flat rate

lets see an intellectually based argument
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my entire argument in this and similar threads have been based on common sense, logic, and rational thinking.

the more money you earn, the more money you have, the more money you can afford to pay in taxes.

this ain't rocket science Turtledude.
 
Thunder said:
my entire argument in this and similar threads have been based on common sense, logic, and rational thinking.

the more money you earn, the more money you have, the more money you can afford to pay in taxes.

this ain't rocket science Turtledude.
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you never answer why
 
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