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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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haymarket said:
You are playing childish games.
You do what far too many try to do when the ace you thought you had up your sleeve is shown to be nothing of the kind. You fall back on "I already proved this to you" or "you did not read what I wrote" or a lame version of "you are not paying attention to my points" or other such complaining.

If you have a coherent case to make, state it.
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Uhm, how are you even going to comment on what you think I said if you didn't even bother to read it. What part of "I already made the point and it is in writing 1 page back" is hard for you to comprehend? Is there a reason that you are avoiding reading what I already wrote? Just go back and read it instead of trying to discredit me through your pathetic attempt at a pissing contest. Do you have a good answer as to why you feel it is necessary for me to repeat something that was already said? If you would have read it in the first place you would not be here asking me about it....
 
Smokified said:
Uhm, how are you even going to comment on what you think I said if you didn't even bother to read it. What part of "I already made the point and it is in writing 1 page back" is hard for you to comprehend? Is there a reason that you are avoiding reading what I already wrote? Just go back and read it instead of trying to discredit me through your pathetic attempt at a pissing contest. Do you have a good answer as to why you feel it is necessary for me to repeat something that was already said? If you would have read it in the first place you would not be here asking me about it....
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You haven't made any point. That's the problem.
 
Smokified said:
You seem to forget that I am part of the American public and I am most definately not the only person that feels our entitlement programs need to be reformed. The majority of the American public continues to point fingers and look around like a bunch of helpless idiots instead of taking steps to better themselves.

I am all for cutting spending and at no point did I disagree that we need to reduce military spending significantly, but for you to try and ignore the other areas that need improvement is simply stupid and counterproductive.
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I have already posted my positions, to Cpwill, regarding the improvements that need to be made to address SS and health care.

You still have provided no evidence to refute my claim above that the GOP has offered no plan to significantly cut spending for the military-industrial complex and the unfunded optional wars.

Additionally, on the thread topic, 80% of the US voters agree with my position that we need to eliminate the tax cuts for the rich to help reduce the deficit. We'll just have to see how those numbers play out next November.
 
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Smokified said:
Uhm, how are you even going to comment on what you think I said if you didn't even bother to read it. What part of "I already made the point and it is in writing 1 page back" is hard for you to comprehend? Is there a reason that you are avoiding reading what I already wrote? Just go back and read it instead of trying to discredit me through your pathetic attempt at a pissing contest. Do you have a good answer as to why you feel it is necessary for me to repeat something that was already said? If you would have read it in the first place you would not be here asking me about it....
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you do love this childish games. others seem to agree.
 
haymarket said:
What is it about there being only two sides of a budget to work with that you do not understand?
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The part where increased revenue has ever been used to pay down the debt. why would anyone support sending more revenue to the govt. that created a 14.6 trillion dollar debt.
 
Catawba said:
I have already posted my positions, to Cpwill, regarding the improvements that need to be made to address SS and health care.

You still have provided no evidence to refute my claim above that the GOP has offered no plan to significantly cut spending for the military-industrial complex and the unfunded optional wars.

Additionally, on the thread topic, 80% of the US voters agree with my position that we need to eliminate the tax cuts for the rich to help reduce the deficit. We'll just have to see how those numbers play out next November.
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Just arrived at my destination and catching up on the posts I have decided it serves no purpose to respond to your previous post as nothing ever changes the mind of an ideologue and someone who totally ignores actual results but always buys rhetoric from leftwing sites. I know this is hard for you to understand but spending causes debt not something that increased govt. revenue which the Reagan and Bush tax cuts did. Today we have approximately 90 million Americans, 25 million unemployed and under employed and 65 million working Americans making 50,000 or less not paying any FIT yet you want to raise the taxes on those evil rich people who are currently paying 38% of all FIT revenue? That doesn't make any sense to logical thinking people but probably does to the leftwing class warfare socialists.
 
haymarket said:
It is interesting and telling that the right is obsessed with only one side of the ledger. One of the first things anyone learns about a budget is that there are two sides INCOME and EXPENDITURES. The right only wants to look at EXPENDITURES and refuses to consider the INCOME side.

The budgetary problems of the USA will only be solved when both sides are dealt with.

And I never thought I would live long enough to see that sort of basic denial with reality due to extremist political ideology.
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lefties want the rich to pay more for several reasons

getting rid of the deficit is not one of them
 
TurtleDude said:
lefties want the rich to pay more for several reasons

getting rid of the deficit is not one of them
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Liberals like haymarket want on thing and on thing only, spending in the name of compassion without getting compassionate results. My definition of compassion is getting someone to never need govt. assistance again. Haymarkets is employed by a liberal politician who requires dependence to keep his position.
 
Conservative said:
Liberals like haymarket want on thing and on thing only, spending in the name of compassion without getting compassionate results. My definition of compassion is getting someone to never need govt. assistance again. Haymarkets is employed by a liberal politician who requires dependence to keep his position.
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actually most liberals want more spending to buy the votes for the dem politicians. Its all about power and greed. I won't guess what motivates Haymarket
 
TurtleDude said:
actually most liberals want more spending to buy the votes for the dem politicians. Its all about power and greed. I won't guess what motivates Haymarket
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You are probably right as I am giving haymarket the benefit of doubt. He continues to drink the kool-aid and believes liberal social spending actually generates positive personal results when in reality it only creates positive professional results. Liberals keep their jobs by keeping people dependent for without dependence there would be no need for liberals.
 
Conservative said:
You are probably right as I am giving haymarket the benefit of doubt. He continues to drink the kool-aid and believes liberal social spending actually generates positive personal results when in reality it only creates positive professional results. Liberals keep their jobs by keeping people dependent for without dependence there would be no need for liberals.
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Liberalism is all about creating needs and then pretending to fill them
 
AdamT said:
I'm basing my argument on the fact that the items I listed account for the vast majority of government spending.

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Explain to me why you support SS and Medicare to still be ON budget?
 
Catawba said:
Poppycock! Tax cuts meant trillions (in less revenues than we would have had without them) for the last 3 decades, and our unfunded wars and bloated military cost us trillions and counting in debt.
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Typical liberal bull****. A growing economy increases govt. revenue but that escapes liberals like you. Right now there are 90 million Americans or so paying very little in FIT so tell me how you make up the lost revenue from those people by increasing the taxes only on the rich?
 
TurtleDude said:
Liberalism is all about creating needs and then pretending to fill them
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Of course, as stated there would be no need for liberals if the needs were actually met and that liberal "compassion" actually generated positive results and got people off the taxpayer dole.
 
Conservative said:
Typical liberal bull****. A growing economy increases govt. revenue but that escapes liberals like you. Right now there are 90 million Americans or so paying very little in FIT so tell me how you make up the lost revenue from those people by increasing the taxes only on the rich?
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If dems were serious about raising taxes to allegedly shrink the deficit they would make everyone pay more

that would have two good benefits

1) the dems would take a bath in the next election

2) and if everyone had to pay more taxes when the government spent more, MOST PEOPLE would have LESS incentive to vote for Big government

in other words, Dems are full of it when they claim they want to reign in the deficit
 
haymarket said:
What is it about there being only two sides of a budget to work with that you do not understand?
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Do you realize their can be a negative impact on local, country and State govt revenues when feds take more in taxes.
I agree both sides of the equation needs to be looked at. It isn't so simple as that, You have to consider other govt taxes we pay that are not federal.

Consider this. If someone pays more federal income tax, they have less pocket money to spend. Local and State sales tax goes down. leaving them will less revenue. So local, State needs to raise revenue or cut spending. So Hay, how do you respond to this.
You happy just trying to make the feds happy and you dont care about your local situation
 
mike2810 said:
Do you realize their can be a negative impact on local, country and State govt revenues when feds take more in taxes.
I agree both sides of the equation needs to be looked at. It isn't so simple as that, You have to consider other govt taxes we pay that are not federal.

Consider this. If someone pays more federal income tax, they have less pocket money to spend. Local and State sales tax goes down. leaving them will less revenue. So local, State needs to raise revenue or cut spending. So Hay, how do you respond to this.
You happy just trying to make the feds happy and you dont care about your local situation
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Excellent! Great post! How about it, haymarket?
 
TurtleDude said:
lefties want the rich to pay more for several reasons

getting rid of the deficit is not one of them
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I do not know how you can speak for progressives when you are not one of them. I am and I certainly want the debt to be dealt with and paid down. I think its disgusting that my grandchildren will be paying for unfunded and unneeded foreign wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, and unfunded mandates incurred when they had nothing to do with it.
 
TurtleDude said:
actually most liberals want more spending to buy the votes for the dem politicians. Its all about power and greed. I won't guess what motivates Haymarket
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Thank you for not engaging in the type of reckless speculation that Conservative just did. I can divulge that what motivates me is a deep and abiding love for the United States of America, its people and its institutions.
 
haymarket said:
I do not know how you can speak for progressives when you are not one of them. I am and I certainly want the debt to be dealt with and paid down. I think its disgusting that my grandchildren will be paying for unfunded and unneeded foreign wars, tax cuts for the wealthy, and unfunded mandates incurred when they had nothing to do with it.
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Since when are tax cuts an expense? Is that what you learned in school? Show me the line item that classifies people keeping more of their own money an expense to the govt? Is that what you believe your take home pay is? Unbelievable how brainwashed you really are if that is what you believe.
 
Conservative said:
Since when are tax cuts an expense? Is that what you learned in school? Show me the line item that classifies people keeping more of their own money an expense to the govt? Is that what you believe your take home pay is? Unbelievable how brainwashed you really are if that is what you believe.
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I will not waste one more second of time arguing this again and again and again with you since it has been many times in many threads by many people and with you its like talking to a wall.
 
haymarket said:
Thank you for not engaging in the type of reckless speculation that Conservative just did. I can divulge that what motivates me is a deep and abiding love for the United States of America, its people and its institutions.
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That is why I gave you the benefit of doubt. Too bad you cannot see what a fool liberalism is making out of you. Anyone that believes the taxpayer keeping more of what they earn is an expense to the govt. has a serious problem and cannot be taken seriously. Anyone that believes sending more money to the govt. is going to reduce the deficit and debt ignores history. It really is a shame that your loyalty to liberalism ignores reality.
 
haymarket said:
I will not waste one more second of time arguing this again and again and again with you since it has been many times in many threads by many people and with you its like talking to a wall.
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That is exactly what I mean when I talk about you being brainwashed. I believe you have good intentions but have been brainwashed into believing that liberalism generates positive results. It doesn't, it creates dependence and if you will not recognize that then I will be changing my opinion of you. Hopefully you are the good person and means well. Too bad results never match your rhetoric.
 
Conservative said:
Of course, as stated there would be no need for liberals if the needs were actually met and that liberal "compassion" actually generated positive results and got people off the taxpayer dole.
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Feeding hungry children is indeed a positive result. Treating the sick is a positive result. Providing for shelter so people do not freeze during the winter is indeed a positive result.
 
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