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White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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pbrauer said:
No matter how often you say it, Con, Obama didn't add $4 Trillion to the debt. Please stop lying!!
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Tell that to the Treasury Dept as they disagree with you. Prove with Treasury data that I am lying/
 
Born Free said:
Hell I thought the war was started by Al Qaeda. I do know Obama started the third war that no one knows why.




You seem a little put out. And rightfully so, under Obama the national debt has grown higher and faster than any president before him. By the end of his only term he will have added to the national debt in just four yrs 6 trillion dollars. I don't see the rich stealing but I do see government stealing from the people with trillion dollar failed stimulus and the government funding the likes of bankrupt Solyndra with 535 million of tax payer money, there is more waste and fraud in our government run agencies that are unequaled. Obama said there was 500 billion of waste and fraud in Medicare alone. So who should be fired. I'll tell you, Obama.
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Out of curiosity, how much do you think a cruise missile cost?:roll:
 
Conservative said:
Tell that to the Treasury Dept as they disagree with you. Prove with Treasury data that I am lying/
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I love the theory that many liberals advance that goes like this

1) Bush was awful for running up the deficit

2) to demonstrate how much they disapprove of Bush they vote for a guy who appears to be the biggest spendthrift in White House history--and that trait was hardly disguised while Obumble was running
 
pbrauer said:
Out of curiosity, how much do you think a cruise missile cost?:roll:
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Millions--but blowing a few scummy Jihadists to Allah PRICELESS!!!
 
TurtleDude said:
I love the theory that many liberals advance that goes like this

1) Bush was awful for running up the deficit

2) to demonstrate how much they disapprove of Bush they vote for a guy who appears to be the biggest spendthrift in White House history--and that trait was hardly disguised while Obumble was running
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Bush ran up a deficit when the economy was good. Obama ran up a deficit when times are bad(ie lower revenue and greater expenses).
 
Redress said:
Bush ran up a deficit when the economy was good. Obama ran up a deficit when times are bad(ie lower revenue and greater expenses).
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I doubt he understands the distinction between the two....
 
TurtleDude said:
I love the theory that many liberals advance that goes like this

1) Bush was awful for running up the deficit

2) to demonstrate how much they disapprove of Bush they vote for a guy who appears to be the biggest spendthrift in White House history--and that trait was hardly disguised while Obumble was running
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We need to stop blaming bush...we need to stop bashing obama for everything...and really try to put heads together and come up with some kind of compromise and get something going here...the rich are immune to everything and Im not railing on them stating facts...this housing market where reg folks cant qualify to buy homes the rich are having a blast grabbing up real estate for peanuts....people are hurting big time...more and more everyday I see seniors in the middle of the road panhandling for food...Im serious now..Ive been stopping giving out 10.00 bills like candy...ive never seen it like this and its republicans and democrats JOBS ALIKE to do SOMETHING to fix this and get the misery off the ones that have the least....cmon this country is better than this...making people suffer so the people with the most can get more...
 
pbrauer said:
Out of curiosity, how much do you think a cruise missile cost?:roll:
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Born Free Quote: "You seem a little put out. And rightfully so, under Obama the national debt has grown higher and faster than any president before him. By the end of his only term he will have added to the national debt in just four yrs 6 trillion dollars. I don't see the rich stealing but I do see government stealing from the people with trillion dollar failed stimulus and the government funding the likes of bankrupt Solyndra with 535 million of tax payer money, there is more waste and fraud in our government run agencies that are unequaled. Obama said there was 500 billion of waste and fraud in Medicare alone. So who should be fired. I'll tell you, Obama."

I don't think it would cost a trillion like Obama's failed stimulus, nor do I think it would cost 500 billion that Obama said is spent on waste and fraud in Medicare alone. Now just imagine if there is 500 billion of waste and fraud in just Medicare alone how much would there be when you add up all of governments waste and fraud. This is your government stealing from the people, and Obama is the president of this government stealing peoples money.
 
TurtleDude said:
I love the theory that many liberals advance that goes like this

1) Bush was awful for running up the deficit

2) to demonstrate how much they disapprove of Bush they vote for a guy who appears to be the biggest spendthrift in White House history--and that trait was hardly disguised while Obumble was running
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Exactly, they will be blaming Bush in 2012 and some of the ignorant liberals will continue to buy it totally ignoring the facts. The 2009 budget was passed by a Democrat Congress and not supported by the Republicans. Obama voted for that budget then put the department heads in place to spend the money. How anyone can blame Bush is beyond logic and common sense as well as the facts.
 
Conservative said:
Massive spending as well as 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans. Obama was elected to fix the problem and failed.
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He’s still in the process of fixing the inherited problem; he inherited a bigger problem then he thought.:2wave:
 
Redress said:
Bush ran up a deficit when the economy was good. Obama ran up a deficit when times are bad(ie lower revenue and greater expenses).
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You mean after the dot com bubble busted or after 9-11?
 
Born Free said:
Born Free Quote: "You seem a little put out. And rightfully so, under Obama the national debt has grown higher and faster than any president before him. By the end of his only term he will have added to the national debt in just four yrs 6 trillion dollars. I don't see the rich stealing but I do see government stealing from the people with trillion dollar failed stimulus and the government funding the likes of bankrupt Solyndra with 535 million of tax payer money, there is more waste and fraud in our government run agencies that are unequaled. Obama said there was 500 billion of waste and fraud in Medicare alone. So who should be fired. I'll tell you, Obama."

I don't think it would cost a trillion like Obama's failed stimulus, nor do I think it would cost 500 billion that Obama said is spent on waste and fraud in Medicare alone. Now just imagine if there is 500 billion of waste and fraud in just Medicare alone how much would there be when you add up all of governments waste and fraud. This is your government stealing from the people, and Obama is the president of this government stealing peoples money.
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You say the stimulus failed, but the non partisan CBO says it didn't. Where is you data to show it failed?? BTW, as for Obama being fired... He will gracefully leave office Jan 20, 2017 and that fact burns conservatives asses.
 
donc said:
He’s still in the process of fixing the inherited problem; he inherited a bigger problem then he thought.:2wave:
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How does anyone inherit what they helped create?
 
pbrauer said:
You say the stimulus failed, but the non partisan CBO says it didn't. Where is you data to show it failed?? BTW, as for Obama being fired... He will gracefully leave office Jan 20, 2017 and that fact burns conservatives asses.
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the non partisan CBO takes data that the Administration gives them and gives a non partisan report. They are forced by law to take the assumptions given and not change them. If the assumptions are wrong then the projections are wrong and that is what happened with the stimulus. You use the CBO when you believe it supports your point of view but ignore it when it doesn't like with healthcare and the debt. Let me know the non partisan site like BLS that calculates and quantifies "saved jobs?"

Not sure why someone of your intelligence continues to support Obama and the lies from this Administration but that isn't doing your credibility any good.
 
TurtleDude said:
You mean after the dot com bubble busted or after 9-11?
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If you look, he had mediocre to decent GDP growth from 2002 until the end of 2007. So during those years.
 
Conservative said:
How does anyone inherit what they helped create?
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My take on a fair assessment of blame is...bush spent like a trooper..created the biggest social program since SS with prescription drug program which was created to protect rich Pharma and thier pricing...which is sell it to the rest of the world for half price or less and bury americans in horrific prices.
There was a revolt starting over being allowed to buy drugs from canada at half the price and mexico for 5cts on a dollar...bush was ready to pass a law to ban buying from canada and he was lambasted...so up pops the drug giveaway program with the CLAUSE govt cannot negotiate lower prices from the drug companies.....and bush gave away the first 700 billion....he got this started and obama followed up with bad decisions...
Ok its both their faults....now what are we going to do about it...aside from insisting on giving the rich and corps huge tax cuts and giving away more billions in stimulus....
 
lpast said:
My take on a fair assessment of blame is...bush spent like a trooper..created the biggest social program since SS with prescription drug program which was created to protect rich Pharma and thier pricing...which is sell it to the rest of the world for half price or less and bury americans in horrific prices.
There was a revolt starting over being allowed to buy drugs from canada at half the price and mexico for 5cts on a dollar...bush was ready to pass a law to ban buying from canada and he was lambasted...so up pops the drug giveaway program with the CLAUSE govt cannot negotiate lower prices from the drug companies.....and bush gave away the first 700 billion....he got this started and obama followed up with bad decisions...
Ok its both their faults....now what are we going to do about it...aside from insisting on giving the rich and corps huge tax cuts and giving away more billions in stimulus....
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what exactly was given to the rich?
 
pbrauer said:
Massive spending cause the dhuge shortfall in FIT. Are you serious? :lamo
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Well you got me on that one, I was focused on the debt and the loss of FIT, both of them. My apology. massive spending had nothing to do with the FIT reduction to the best of my knowledge.
 
TurtleDude said:
what exactly was given to the rich?
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I should have been clearer sorry...thats all that comes out of the teaparty caucus mouth ryans plan...is we need tax cuts for job creation ad nausem...
The want to bring us to the brink of default fighting over tax cuts...
Turtle..were not going to get anywhere with the teaparty not compromising and insisting on tax cuts for the rich while advocating cutting everything for everyone else...its just never going to work...we need compromise...look I dont know your personal lifestyle but you may not be around people that are hurting badly through no fault of their own...
My wife an I was in walmart the other day...a teen girl came up to my wife in the store...she was neatly dressed..and asked my wife with her face RED AS A BEET with embarrassment...if she could give her a dollar so she could buy a MickieDs buck hamburger...I walked over and said you hungry young lady...she said yes..I said cmon...I took her over to mickie ds and said order whatever you want.....theres alot of kids like that now turtle..too damn many for congress to act like stonewall idiots...they NEED TO DO SOMETHING...this is really not the time for the richest americans and corporations to whine and insist on tax cuts...its like theyre eating caviar and filet mignon and drinking 500.00 bottles of wine...and its now moved up to middleclass people being hungry and while their eating their caviar they are talking and whining about how much taxs they have to pay and how they must have tax cuts...or else...
 
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lpast said:
I should have been clearer sorry...thats all that comes out of the teaparty caucus mouth ryans plan...is we need tax cuts for job creation ad nausem...
The want to bring us to the brink of default fighting over tax cuts...
Turtle..were not going to get anywhere with the teaparty not compromising and insisting on tax cuts for the rich while advocating cutting everything for everyone else...its just never going to work...we need compromise...look I dont know your personal lifestyle but you may not be around people that are hurting badly through no fault of their own...
My wife an I was in walmart the other day...a teen girl came up to my wife in the store...she was neatly dressed..and asked my wife with her face RED AS A BEET with embarrassment...if she could give her a dollar so she could buy a MickieDs buck hamburger...I walked over and said you hungry young lady...she said yes..I said cmon...I took her over to mickie ds and said order whatever you want.....theres alot of kids like that now turtle..too damn many for congress to act like stonewall idiots...they NEED TO DO SOMETHING
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1) the tea party opposes the government taking more taxes from anyone

2) the tea party opposes wasteful government spending-much of which we could eliminate without compromising needed or necessary services

3) taxes being raised on the "rich" will do nothing to alleviate the problems you speak of
 
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