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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    EarlzP;1059859630]Word play nothing more nothing less, provide me with one source proving that President Obama ever laid the blame for any thing on his administrative staff, just one.
    Obama blames everyone else but himself or his Administration but that wasn't the point. The debate was delegation of responsibility and no good manager can or will do that

    I started in management at 17, no college not even a HS Diploma.
    Good for you, did you ever delegate responsibility?



    Your denial about the effects of speculators on the poor and elderly is beyond belief, since you don't deny profiting from speculating on life essential needs I under stand your anger at the OWS demonstrators. Your fear of liberals is very evident, do you want to talk about it? Are their any republicans or libertarians or independents demonstrating if you answer is no, please provide a source. If your answer is yes can you explain why they are there?
    Not denial, just realization that liberalism is a bigger problem than speculators. Millions and millions of speculators have experienced nothing negative from speculators but all Americans are paying the price for liberalism.


    Are you sure?
    Yep, pretty sure unless it is a professional protest organization looking for recruits.



    Even if you were right I think you may be about 11 years late, let me ask you some thing are there enough liberals in the USA to elect a President? If your answer is no and as you said you believe in taking responsibility for your actions do you think that maybe some of the responsibility may cross party lines? If your answer is yes why do you only malign liberals?
    There are enough liberals to elect a President when only about 50% of the available electorate actually votes. My vote is irrelevant in a Presidential election because I live in TX, a bright red state. Problem is Obama did a very good job marketing his "Hope and Change" message and that convinced a lot of people to vote for him. The problem was his "hope and change" message meant something entirely different to this Center Right country.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So the private sector doesn't create jobs?
    Not the ones we have been giving the tax breaks to for the last decade apparently. Who is it that came up with the hair brained idea of giving someone who is rich a tax break, simply because of the fact they are rich, with absolutely no obligation to create jobs in this country???

    Its easy to understand why protest has expanded from NY now to 25 cities!
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not the ones we have been giving the tax breaks to for the last decade apparently. Who is it that came up with the hair brained idea of giving someone who is rich a tax break, simply because of the fact they are rich, with absolutely no obligation to create jobs in this country???

    Its easy to understand why protest has expanded from NY now to 25 cities!
    The private sector needs to make profits though. How can we expect them to do their job of making profit without providing them tax breaks?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    The private sector needs to make profits though. How can we expect them to do their job of making profit without providing them tax breaks?
    Is this meant to be sarcastic? If those profits are invested in overseas investments rather than jobs here at home, I fail to see how that works out for the benefit of the majority of citizens.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is measured by the misery index
    The misery index is the sum of unemployment and inflation; it in no way measures the severity of an economic downturn. This should be intuitive because the misery index of various data points throughout the 1930's would have been less than peak years (1973 & 1980). It treats deflation as a good thing!

    The parallels between our current economic reality and that of the great depression need to be taken into consideration before you can make such a generic determination.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post

    It treats deflation as a good thing!
    Don't expect Conservative to understand that, he thinks inflation is an economic indicator. According to him, the economy was just rosey when Obama took over since the inflation rate was close to zero percent.


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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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    Obama blames everyone else but himself or his Administration but that wasn't the point. The debate was delegation of responsibility and no good manager can or will do that
    President Obama must have taken Management 101 he is only delegating responsibility, I learned when trouble shooting the first thing you have to do is identify the problem until you do that finding a long lasting solution is next to impossible, the problem I see is the republican party the solution will happen in 2012, when you have a republican leader Mitch McConnel who states that the number one priority is to defeat the President the problem is evident, when the majority leader takes a pledge to refuse to negotiate the problem is evident the solution is to remove him, when representatives of the people take a pledge to refuse to negotiate the solution is to remove them

    Good for you, did you ever delegate responsibility?
    I not only invented the team concept I knew how to use it, from our conversations I can tell you are clueless from the way that elected republicans act I can tell they went to the same Management 101 classes you did.

    Not denial, just realization that liberalism is a bigger problem than speculators. Millions and millions of speculators have experienced nothing negative from speculators but all Americans are paying the price for liberalism.
    Maybe you and I are finally starting to find some common ground, I agree millions and millions of speculators have experienced nothing negative from other speculators, but every American even you are paying the price for unregulated speculation, We pay every time we pull up to the pump, every time we eat, every time we turn up our heat, every time we flip on a light switch, we can't take a dump and flush it without having some speculator profit from it

    Yep, pretty sure unless it is a professional protest organization looking for recruits.
    So now you think that the OWS demonstrators are a professional organization looking for recruits? Let me know who their backers are you have the Koch Brothers backing and running the Tea Baggers, name the billionaires backing the OWS demonstrations

    There are enough liberals to elect a President when only about 50% of the available electorate actually votes. My vote is irrelevant in a Presidential election because I live in TX, a bright red state. Problem is Obama did a very good job marketing his "Hope and Change" message and that convinced a lot of people to vote for him. The problem was his "hope and change" message meant something entirely different to this Center Right country.
    Do you think this is why the republican party is trying to legislate the election, have they finally realized that they do not have the ability to get voters to the voters booths so instead they are going to try to keep those who do show up to vote away from the voters booth. So are you saying that the center right was brain washed?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Private sector workers are slowly being overwhelmed by government made jobs, though. The majority of jobs government makes, are government jobs. You want to see an example of what allowing government to take over the economy looks like, look at the north east. I mean, look at CT. Our entire economy revolves around government jobs. We build submarines, Black hawks, F22s, and various other military only equipment. All of the people who build these devices are union, and they make, starting out, a minimum 25 dollars an hour. No degree, no experience, and no real skills needed...if you want the job, though, your family has to work there, in some capacity. Or friends. Something. You have to have an "in". These are the kind of jobs our government creates, more often than not. Now, what happens when the majority of the REST of america doesn't make 25 an hour, or, after a couple years on the job, 30+ an hour? What happens when the weight of pay scales tips towards government jobs? Why, you end up with not enough taxes to fund them, of course. So, sitting by, looking for uncle sam to make jobs is nothing short of tragic for this country. This best thing our government can do to create jobs, is to do all they can to help small business growth. And the best thing to help small business growth is to reduce market entry barriers. Most of those come in the form of over regulation.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The misery index is the sum of unemployment and inflation; it in no way measures the severity of an economic downturn. This should be intuitive because the misery index of various data points throughout the 1930's would have been less than peak years (1973 & 1980). It treats deflation as a good thing!

    The parallels between our current economic reality and that of the great depression need to be taken into consideration before you can make such a generic determination.
    The misery index measures individual pain and suffering whether you like it or not. Obama has a 38% JAR today which tells you how they feel. Sorry but how people feel is affected by the Obama economic policy and that misery index is rising. During the Reagan years that misery index dropped. That misery index was a lot lower when Obama took office than it is today and it was much lower than when Reagan took office. What drove that misery index in the early 80's was high inflation and rising unemployment and extremely high interest rates. When Obama took office there were little inflation, very low interest rates, but today there is rising unemployment which isn't even calculated the same today as it was when Reagan was in office.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The misery index measures individual pain and suffering whether you like it or not. Obama has a 38% JAR today which tells you how they feel. Sorry but how people feel is affected by the Obama economic policy and that misery index is rising. During the Reagan years that misery index dropped. That misery index was a lot lower when Obama took office than it is today and it was much lower than when Reagan took office. What drove that misery index in the early 80's was high inflation and rising unemployment and extremely high interest rates. When Obama took office there were little inflation, very low interest rates, but today there is rising unemployment which isn't even calculated the same today as it was when Reagan was in office.
    This ignores the HoR and Senate approval rating, which last time I checked, was at 11%. Could it possibly be the ignorance of Americans jumping on the Fox News band wagon to blame Obama?

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