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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, but I lived and worked during both and don't have any faith in what economists say but instead what the real people are feeling. When people had to pay 17.5% for a home mortage and had double digit inflation they were throwing the keys at the bankers.
    Your personal feelings on the subject do not hold constant for all people.

    Prior to 1982, banks were not allowed to offer variable rate mortgages and therefore the "17.5% for a home mortgage" comment is useless. People who had 17.5% mortgage rates TOOK them out; meaning a considerable portion of these new homeowners did pay them back.

    Financially driven downturns are by far the most painful.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its fun watching extreme fringe elements use pet terms such as "speculating" etc.

    the concepts of markets, supply and demand etc seem to be ideas you cannot comprehend.
    Picky picky picky cherry picky picken, please respond to my question

    Are you saying that out of work republicans, independents, libertarians, ect are more likely to steal then the rich are? Do you really believe the BS you are trying to sell. Do you have a book of talking points or do you come up with this BS all by yourself
    I can comprehend much more then you want me to so tell me instead of running away from the question

    Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

    Now don't take it personal because I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Here is the difference between us You want to call everyone and anyone who can not find employment a bum, a sloth, a lazy tit sucking liberal, why? Because it suits your agenda. If I am wrong show me a source that says unemployed liberals want to be unemployed. You were truely a HR guy are you sure?
    How Ironic, you seem to believe that there are more speculators that somehow did something illegal thus causing more of a problem than actually exists. Anyone that cannot find a job in 1 year or more is indeed a bum in my book. Any job would do at this point vs getting taxpayer funded subsidies. In running a business my staff would never hire anyone with a one year gap in their resume especially when there are pages and pages of jobs available maybe not THE job but A job that shows initiative and a strong desire not to milk the system.

    As for being a HR guy, anyone responsible for a business has HR responsibiilities. I hired and fired a lot of people but also promoted a lot of people as well. I was fully responsible for the business with HR as a responsibility anyone in management has. You ought to know that but HR was one of many responsibilities I had.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    How come you run away every time reality is shoved in your face? Like this time ... you made the fallacious claim that Liberals don't want job creation ... I proved that comment belongs in the trash bin by showing you how every Democrat president going back the last 60 years had job growth with the exception of Jimmy Carter, where job growth was flat as the unemployment rate when he left office was the same when he started. By comparison, the unemployment rate increased for every single term for every single Republican president with the lone exception of Reagan.

    My post pretty much made your post a laughing stock.

    That seems to have led you to retreat to your knee-jerk patent response of the current economic conditions, which are mostly due to the Great Bush Recession anyway.
    Any time you post irrelevant data out of context I am going to post actual data IN context of what is going on today. Not one thing you have posted has anything to do with the problems we have today and the fact that "your" President doesn't have a clue how to manage a private sector economy or the ability to hire the right people to do it. Obama is someone who delegates responsibility and no leader can ever do that. The responsibility for the economy today are here and these are the results 2 1/2 years after taking office.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 55-60% disapproval ratings.

    Keep looking backwards, keep telling half the story, keep ignoring civics and you will never see what is happening TODAY

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Your personal feelings on the subject do not hold constant for all people.

    Prior to 1982, banks were not allowed to offer variable rate mortgages and therefore the "17.5% for a home mortgage" comment is useless. People who had 17.5% mortgage rates TOOK them out; meaning a considerable portion of these new homeowners did pay them back.

    Financially driven downturns are by far the most painful.
    My personal feelings have nothing to do with it, the facts matter and how people have been affected by this recession or were affected by the 81-82 recession. That is measured by the misery index which are rising today vs. when Obama took office and declined significantly with Reagan Economic policy. You see, this is about people not the macro economics which apparently you cannot think about.

    Sorry but painful today is Barack Obama in office 2 1/2 years after taking office and doing nothing to provide incentive to the private sector to grow jobs. His JAR indicates how people actually feel about Obama and that JAR is driven by the misery index plus high unemployment

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Any time you post irrelevant data out of context I am going to post actual data IN context of what is going on today. Not one thing you have posted has anything to do with the problems we have today and the fact that "your" President doesn't have a clue how to manage a private sector economy or the ability to hire the right people to do it. Obama is someone who delegates responsibility and no leader can ever do that. The responsibility for the economy today are here and these are the results 2 1/2 years after taking office.
    Did you say this?
    Obama is someone who delegates responsibility and no leader can ever do that
    Was that you? I don't know of one good leader who does not delegate responsibility, Your life must have been difficult not being able to trust anyone to get a job done,how did you sleep at night?

    It would really be interesting to see you source data related to your claims, sorry it just seems like you run a good portion of the time or you just ignore any thing you can not contest. Do you remeber the conversation we had about how to incentize the unemployed do you remember taking it out of context? Do you remember the conversation we had about speculators and how you never answered when I asked you if you were involved in speculating?

    So I will ask you again and Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

    I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of
    thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Did you say this? Was that you? I don't know of one good leader who does not delegate responsibility, Your life must have been difficult not being able to trust anyone to get a job done,how did you sleep at night?

    It would really be interesting to see you source data related to your claims, sorry it just seems like you run a good portion of the time or you just ignore any thing you can not contest. Do you remeber the conversation we had about how to incentize the unemployed do you remember taking it out of context? Do you remember the conversation we had about speculators and how you never answered when I asked you if you were involved in speculating?

    So I will ask you again and Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

    I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of
    thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS
    Then you don't have a clue, a leader can delegate AUTHORITY not NEVER RESPONSIBILITY. Take Management 101. What did you do for your chemical company, obviously never managing anything. Authority is given based upon trust and if that trust is violated then it is the responsibility of the manager. Both should lose their jobs if that violation led to excessive financial losses or legal problems.

    Your outrage over speculators is misguided as you ignore the biggest problem facing this country, liberals keeping people dependent and buying votes with their actions.

    Don't know about you, but I didn't see one employer walking through the protestors passing out applications and setting up interviews.

    You have a very misguided view of the problem today, it is a local problem not a national problem and it is better handled at the state and local level. You continue to buy the rhetoric of liberals who continue to brainwash you and far too many others. When are you going to hold liberals accountable for the very poor results over TRILLIONS of spending?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Any time you post irrelevant data out of context I am going to post actual data IN context of what is going on today. Not one thing you have posted has anything to do with the problems we have today and...
    Whoaaaa there, Hondo. You posted how Liberals don't want to see jobs created. That's a comment which extends far beyond today's economic conditions. I responded with data that could not have been more in context to your BS claim. Naturally, you could neither defend your position nor refute mine, so you do what you always do -- which is to run away from the argument you made. It's pathetic how you keep talking about the past, but then cry when others reduce your BS claims to a pile of rubble.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Whoaaaa there, Hondo. You posted how Liberals don't want to see jobs created. That's a comment which extends far beyond today's economic conditions. I responded with data that could not have been more in context to your BS claim. Naturally, you could neither defend your position nor refute mine, so you do what you always do -- which is to run away from the argument you made. It's pathetic how you keep talking about the past, but then cry when others reduce your BS claims to a pile of rubble.
    This indicates that Obama isn't interested in creating jobs and are the results today. Most of what you posted in the past is out of context but it does give you the ability to divert from the dismal performance of this President. How long are you going to give him a pass. Seems that you are probably in that 38% still supporting Obama. Seems those are the only ones interested in your percentage change argument.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 55-60% disapproval ratings.

    Keep looking backwards, keep telling half the story, keep ignoring civics and you will never see what is happening TODAY

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This indicates that Obama isn't interested in creating jobs and are the results today.
    But government can't create jobs, correct?

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