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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    This is what I think and I base my conclusions on interacting with people like you and watching what is going on with the Koch Brothers ruled tea baggers and Republican Party

    You don't want job creation period not until you have fulfilled your agenda which is to destroy the middle class. Unfortunately many Americans will fall into the trap and believe the BS republican promises coming: if only regulations were rolled back, if only taxes on businesses where rolled back, if only the unions would give up their collective bargaining rights, The republicans are the party of if only.

    I want to join the if only party, if only in 2012 we remove the republicans and replace them with any other party like independants or even some libertarians we might have a chance of surviving economically, if we don't and we allow the republicans controll of either house or the presidency this country and it's middle class is up s--t's creek without a paddle

    PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you?


    You can expect a bunch of talking points and lame ass links in answer to your question.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You are the wrong the millionaires profit from all that social engineering....
    Not nearly as much as liberal politicians and their thurst for power.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    You can expect a bunch of talking points and lame ass links in answer to your question.
    over 2 1/2 years later after campaigning over 2 years for the job, we have worse unemployment, higher debt, and a rising misery index than Obama had when he took office. You can whine and complain about the rich until hell freezes over and nothing you or any other liberal claims is going to make anything better but instead will just grow the size of govt. and make that govt. stronger. Elite liberal greed trumps anything else and is what keeps the poor dependent thus the passion that the liberals have for taking more from one class and buying votes from the middle and poor.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Funny how history disagrees with you ...

    period start end chng President Party
    Jan 1993 Jan 1997 7.3 5.3 -2.0 Clinton I Democrat
    Jan 1985 Jan 1989 7.3 5.4 -1.9 Reagan II Republican
    Jan 1961 Jan 1965 6.6 4.9 -1.7 JFK/Johnson Democrat
    Jan 1965 Jan 1969 4.9 3.4 -1.5 Johnson Democrat
    Jan 1949 Jan 1953 4.3 2.9 -1.4 Truman Democrat
    Jan 1997 Jan 2001 5.3 4.2 -1.1 Clinton II Democrat

    Jan 1981 Jan 1985 7.5 7.3 -0.2 Reagan I Republican
    Jan 1977 Jan 1981 7.5 7.5 0.0 Carter Democrat
    Jan 2005 Aug 2008 5.2 6.1 +0.9 Bush, GW II Republican
    Jan 2001 Jan 2005 4.2 5.2 +1.0 Bush, GW I Republican
    Jan 1953 Jan 1957 2.9 4.2 +1.3 Eisenhower I Republican
    Jan 1969 Jan 1973 3.4 4.9 +1.5 Nixon Republican
    Jan 1989 Jan 1993 5.4 7.3 +1.9 Bush, GHW Republican
    Jan 1957 Jan 1961 4.2 6.6 +2.4 Eisenhower II Republican
    Jan 1973 Jan 1977 4.9 7.5 +2.6 Nixon/Ford Republican


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    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 55-60% disapproval ratings.

    Keep looking backwards, keep telling half the story, keep ignoring civics and you will never see what is happening TODAY
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    You only think you are slick what does how many tea party members have been arreseted have to do with any thing?

    You can keep spinning that BS sterotyping all of the unemployed as liberals looking for handouts, Let me ask you are there any republicans, or libertarians or independents out of work? Show me a source breaking down the unemployed by political party.

    No you don't get it I don't care how much money you made or if you wipe your conservative butt with 100.00 dollar bills. But I do care about how you made it and again you have not answered my question were you involved in low life speculation on life essential needs, did you profit by driving up the cost of life essential needs, did you make your money through profitting from predatory lending, I mean lets get real and drop the BS most HR guys don't exactly make a fortune in my experience they are next to useless dead weight adding nothing of value to any company.

    PS: I did not steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products, did you? By your own standards, sure you did. Are you sending your dividend checks back from that evil corporation you worked for?
    You apparently live quite comfortably today which obviously in your opinion makes you much smarter than others. You live on two pensions and your 401K which was generated by working at those evil corporations that you now claim are the problem. Millions of other Americans are just like you yet millions don't have the disdain you have, the question is why? Please don't tell me you give a damn about the poor or anyone else for if you did you would do something about it by truly helping those in need. I do that locally and always will. You on the other hand whine and complain about the problem on a national scale and support those that are making the problems worse. Name for me one liberal social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, solved a problem, and then went a way? True liberal compassion is not keeping people dependent but by actually creating results that mean those dependent are no long on those liberal social programs.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You apparently live quite comfortably today which obviously in your opinion makes you much smarter than others. You live on two pensions and your 401K which was generated by working at those evil corporations that you now claim are the problem. Millions of other Americans are just like you yet millions don't have the disdain you have, the question is why? Please don't tell me you give a damn about the poor or anyone else for if you did you would do something about it by truly helping those in need. I do that locally and always will. You on the other hand whine and complain about the problem on a national scale and support those that are making the problems worse. Name for me one liberal social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, solved a problem, and then went a way? True liberal compassion is not keeping people dependent but by actually creating results that mean those dependent are no long on those liberal social programs.
    You are a great talking head you stick to your talking points so well I wonder if maybe you did not take talking point classes? Do they have talking point classes?

    Please don't be offended but I think maybe some of the protestors might be upset by some thing called speculation, Did you know that people of means can buy oil, never touch it,smell it,store it or do any thing more then hold on to it until they create an artifical shortage and then sell it at a huge profit? That profit causes the price of oil to increase as much as 50% doesn't that suck?

    I don't claim that every rich person steals by speculating but it makes you wonder if they were some how not involved in stealing the heat from someone's grandma's house or the food from some poor kid's table. Any how you are not involved in that type of thievery are you? If I was I would be more then happy to help those less fortunate then myself, I mean I could have been without being remotely aware of it. Just in case I made a donation to OWS

    Now back to the topic at hand your right I worked hard for years some times in fact most times 60 to 80 hours a week just like my dad and his father did and just like a lot of other Americans including liberals, libertarians, independents and even some conservatives. When I entered the work force finding a job was easy and then what I made of that job was up to me, no one else.

    Here is the difference between us You want to call everyone and anyone who can not find employment a bum, a sloth, a lazy tit sucking liberal, why? Because it suits your agenda. If I am wrong show me a source that says unemployed liberals want to be unemployed. You were truely a HR guy are you sure?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Here's my problem. On this, and all the other political debate groups out there, all I here about are republicans this, democrats that, so on and so forth. I really, and truly, do not care if someone has a D or R by their name. As long as a good job is being done. Now, here we have so called conservatives decrying the awful conditions we live in after a few years of Obama, as if to say, look at the crappy job HE'S done! Meanwhile, the republican party is partly, some more than others, responsible for some of the problems we face today. They have been content to sit back and let this country go to hell in a hand bucket, indeed, EAGER to help this come about, just so they can have a better position come election time. These are NOT people I will ever vote for, and shame on any so called american who would.

    I'll tell you this now, the ENDS do NOT justify the MEANS.

    And on THAT note, I can't in good conscience vote democrat, either, unless by some miracle, a good man/woman steps forth from that cesspool of liars. But I doubt this will happen, because the very mantra of the democratic party these days is anathema to the concept of the ends not justifying the means. You know what happens when you steal a man who has plenty in order to ensure that a man who has nothing can survive? You become a thief. And that is it's own brand of lie.

    I'll end this little rant with a final thought. I would not trust ANY person who claims to have a plan, or some means, to help the economy and restore employment to those who lost it, unless these people were willing to SHARE that plan right from the get go, without a lot of convoluted politic speak to make sure they never actually have to stand behind something. If they really had a plan, and don't want to unveil it till they get the office, what kind of person is that? Not one I'd trust. We rail about politics, but in reality, what we should be outraged over, is character, and the extreme lack of it that we have in our so called leaders.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    No what is pathetic is allowing speculators to get rich by driving up the prices on life essential needs.



    Are you saying that out of work republicans, independents, libertarians, ect are more likely to steal then the rich are? Do you really believe the BS you are trying to sell. Do you have a book of talking points or do you come up with this BS all by yourself

    PS: I don't care if you and Conservative light your butts with 100.00 dollar bills but did you steal from the poor and elderly of our country by speculating on life essential products,
    its fun watching extreme fringe elements use pet terms such as "speculating" etc.

    the concepts of markets, supply and demand etc seem to be ideas you cannot comprehend.



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    I'll accept this argument only once we have a 100% inheritance tax. Until then, telling the child born into poverty that they just need to stop being lazy or work harder while they look at the children of billionaires who'll never have to work in their lives is just stupid. Either everyone needs to not be lazy / work hard, or that isn't a requirement to have wealth.
    100% inheritance tax would justify assassination IMHO.

    Anyone who thinks everything a person earns should be confiscated by the state is a thief and ought to be treated as such

    I have no duty to fund your existence. I have no duty to have what I earned given to you. Your life provides me with no value so I should not have to pay anything for you to exist



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 55-60% disapproval ratings.

    Keep looking backwards, keep telling half the story, keep ignoring civics and you will never see what is happening TODAY
    How come you run away every time reality is shoved in your face? Like this time ... you made the fallacious claim that Liberals don't want job creation ... I proved that comment belongs in the trash bin by showing you how every Democrat president going back the last 60 years had job growth with the exception of Jimmy Carter, where job growth was flat as the unemployment rate when he left office was the same when he started. By comparison, the unemployment rate increased for every single term for every single Republican president with the lone exception of Reagan.

    My post pretty much made your post a laughing stock.

    That seems to have led you to retreat to your knee-jerk patent response of the current economic conditions, which are mostly due to the Great Bush Recession anyway.

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