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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    You know there is such hatred and ignorance about the T.E.A. Party.
    Pot meet the kettle. This occupy Wall Street crowd has just started and you've already decided want they want, who they are and made a snap judgment. At least regarding the TEA party there's sufficient imformation to make a judgement. In fact the Tea Party started off strongly because people were upset about the Bailouts and other things the Tea Party was about but their approval ratings have been dropping signficantly since it's become obvious they just want less regulation and less taxes.

    For someone your age to attack Reaganomics tells me a lot about you. Never in the history of this country did so many raise themselves up and prosper as they did under Reagan. Why don't you ask yourself why liberals are so anti Reagan? Reagan made people proud of themselves and their efforts thus they didn't need liberalism. No wonder liberals hate Reagan
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    I'm not anti-Reagan, I'm anti-his economic plan. By what metric are "so many" prospering? Income inequality has grown greatly, median wages have remained stagnant. I have nothing against the President. It's pretty telling when his primary opponent and future President George H.W. Bush called his economic plan "vodoo economics". Do I think his message was needed in the 80's? Probably, I think people at the time felt the same way they do now. Do I think his economic plan solved our problems? No I think Volcker decreasing inflation and the end of high oil prices are what helped the economy.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I suggest six months worth of benefits and force people out to work, maybe not THE job but A job. The entitlement mentality today is part of the problem.
    I think sitting out of work for six months is too long,lets make a part of drawing goverment help work for everyone. Neut Gingrich said that people out of work should be going to school, I agree to an extent. Lets have placement programs focused to place people in a position to learn as they wait for openings in their choosen job fields. Going to college or even trade schools gives people an opportunity to learn one part of work, hands on experience provides the final element needed to complete any education. With many seniors now looking to retire lets start to place qualified prospective people in a hands on enviroment where they can gain from the experience and knowledge of those already employed.

    College loan payments and interest should be put on hold until the graduate is working, the same benefit should be extended to trades people, those without college or trade skills should be given the help they need to acquire an education.

    We need to offer a hand up not a hand out, we need to offer hope in this period of high unemployment not criticism to people who have prepared for a job that is non existant

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    iliveonramen;1059854245]Pot meet the kettle. This occupy Wall Street crowd has just started and you've already decided want they want, who they are and made a snap judgment. At least regarding the TEA party there's sufficient imformation to make a judgement. In fact the Tea Party started off strongly because people were upset about the Bailouts and other things the Tea Party was about but their approval ratings have been dropping signficantly since it's become obvious they just want less regulation and less taxes.
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    Don't recall any arrests at T.E.A. Party rallies, please post them for me then tell me exactly what the protest Wall Street rally is supposed to accomplish? What is the alternative? You want all your money going to D.C. and let them send back to you what they think you need? If you don't want to spend your money on Wall Street, don't do it. Try that with your taxes?

    I'm not anti-Reagan, I'm anti-his economic plan. By what metric are "so many" prospering? Income inequality has grown greatly, median wages have remained stagnant. I have nothing against the President. It's pretty telling when his primary opponent and future President George H.W. Bush called his economic plan "vodoo economics". Do I think his message was needed in the 80's? Probably, I think people at the time felt the same way they do now. Do I think his economic plan solved our problems? No I think Volcker decreasing inflation and the end of high oil prices are what helped the economy.
    Why are you anti Reagan economic plan? You don't have any initiative or drive? You aren't seeking individual wealth creation? Stop buying and complaining about what you are reading and think about the Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerman's of the world. All it takes is incentive, hard work, creativity and risk taking. Reagan economic policies led to the creation of 17 million jobs after a net job loss during the 81-82 recession. Reagan's approval ratings are extremely high today telling you what kind of job he did. You weren't around yet didn't like his economic policies. That tells me you have been brainwashed. Think instead of feeling. Do you think Reagan would be ranked as high today as he is if his policies failed as the liberals claim? Why are liberals so anti Reagan? I gave you the answer earlier.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    EarlzP;1059854252]I think sitting out of work for six months is too long,lets make a part of drawing goverment help work for everyone. Neut Gingrich said that people out of work should be going to school, I agree to an extent. Lets have placement programs focused to place people in a position to learn as they wait for openings in their choosen job fields. Going to college or even trade schools gives people an opportunity to learn one part of work, hands on experience provides the final element needed to complete any education. With many seniors now looking to retire lets start to place qualified prospective people in a hands on enviroment where they can gain from the experience and knowledge of those already employed.
    It is now two years, not 6 months and where did that 842 billion dollar first stimulu program go? Placement programs where? Where is the incentive for business to hire people with this Administration demonizing profit and wealth creation and you supporting them? Still waiting for you to tell me what the alternative is to Capitalism?

    College loan payments and interest should be put on hold until the graduate is working, the same benefit should be extended to trades people, those without college or trade skills should be given the help they need to acquire an education.
    Where do college loans come from and can't you do better locally? Why is this the role of the Federal Govt?


    We need to offer a hand up not a hand out, we need to offer hope in this period of high unemployment not criticism to people who have prepared for a job that is non existant
    No problem offering an hand up but not a hand out, but that isn't what is happening today. The chronic unemployed aren't going back to work and will collect unemployment as long as they can. There are jobs all over the place today but not THE job and sometimes you start low and work your way up. You seem to be unable to grasp that concept

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    So then why did the unemployment rate stay at 9.1%? don't you think that 400K job creation would lower the rate? You don't have a clue at what numbers you are looking at but that isn't surprising. You want badly to believe in the Obama rhetoric. Wonder if that is the way you operate in real life?
    Your insults aside, allow me to educate you ... the U3 rate is calculated by the number of those unemployed and seeking work by the number of the labor force. They size of the labor force swelled last month by 423,000, hence the unemployment rate remained unchanged at 9.1%. But gaining 400,000 in a month is a good thing, which is you're kvetching about it now because what's good for America is bad for you.

    By no means does that mean we didn't gain 400,000 jobs last month, we did, even if you choose not to believe it. I even gave you the link to prove it.

    I only hope you're taking notes.

    Now then ... why won't you give me the title to that book you posted about? Is it because you know what you posted was complete and utter BS and you don't want me to prove it??


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    Notice the difference according to the Secret Service? Your support for Obama is misguided. He is a true community agitator

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post

    "Total and complete failure?" But after 32 months in office, he's still doing better than every Republican president. If Obama is a "total and complete failure," what does that say about the GOP?


    Here's a list of presidents, along with the percentage of increase, or decrease, of the U3 unemployment rate after 32 months in office...

    Nixon +77%
    Bush +45%
    Eisenhower +41%
    Ford* +36%
    GHW Bush +28%
    Reagan +23%
    Obama +17%
    Kennedy -17%
    Carter -21%
    Clinton -23%
    Johnson -33%


    * = Ford was in office 29 months

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Data



    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Love your percentage change numbers, tell that to the over 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans and then tell the polling placed they have their job approval ratings wrong. Thanks for the laugh
    Your reluctance to address my point is duly noted.

    Again, Obama's performance regarding unemployment is better than every single Republican president going back as far as the data allows -- what does that say for the GOP?

    Unemployment grew faster after 32 months in office for every Republican president than it has under Obama...

    ... this is the moment in your life where you either address that point or you run away from it again.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Your insults aside, allow me to educate you ... the U3 rate is calculated by the number of those unemployed and seeking work by the number of the labor force. They size of the labor force swelled last month by 423,000, hence the unemployment rate remained unchanged at 9.1%. But gaining 400,000 in a month is a good thing, which is you're kvetching about it now because what's good for America is bad for you.

    By no means does that mean we didn't gain 400,000 jobs last month, we did, even if you choose not to believe it. I even gave you the link to prove it.

    I only hope you're taking notes.

    Now then ... why won't you give me the title to that book you posted about? Is it because you know what you posted was complete and utter BS and you don't want me to prove it??
    Now for the rest of the story, In Augst there were 977,000 discourage workers and this month that number was 1.037 million unemployed workers, U-6 went from 16.2% tp 16.5% and you call that an improvement. Obama loves having peeople like you around. Too bad you don't care how foolish he makes you look.

    "Your" President will go down in history making Jimmy Carter look good and Jimmy Carter is the only one smiling these days

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Your reluctance to address my point is duly noted.

    Again, Obama's performance regarding unemployment is better than every single Republican president going back as far as the data allows -- what does that say for the GOP?

    Unemployment grew faster after 32 months in office for every Republican president than it has under Obama...

    ... this is the moment in your life where you either address that point or you run away from it again.
    Sorry, no it isn't, no President in modern history has ever had 25 plus million unemployed and under employed. Keep spinning.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Why do people think that if someone makes more money a year, that they have a higher debt to pay, as a "fair share"? How about simply making ALL employed, of age americans pay 1000 a year, in taxes? I'm quite certain that would end up being more than the extra couple percent form the wealthy 1%.
    The only employed people who don't pay at least 1,000 dollars a year are those who make under twelve thousand year. They don't pay taxes because it's almost impossible to survive on 12 thousand a year anyway. Don't try to say that your number is just inaccurate. What you have proposed is a flat tax. A flat tax is without a doubt predatory to the poor. To say that everyone should be taxed the same percentage of their income is one thing but to assert that everyone should pay the exact same amount of money is ludicrous. Say everyone pays 5000 dollars which still probably wouldn't be enough. Then the man who makes 10,000 dollars a year is taxed at 50% of his income. The woman who makes 20,000 dollars a year is taxed at 25%. The college grad who comes out into the workplace at 45,000 a year with massive debts pays 11.1% a year. Finally the wall street executive making 450,000 dollars a year is taxed at 1.11% of his income. The more you make the less you pay in. The less you make the more you pay in. Even then a flat tax raises a lot less revenue than a progressive tax, if the top 20 percent possess 93% of the wealth and your taxing them at 10% or less, even if you tax 100% of the income of the bottom 80 percent you stand to raise no where near the same amount of money. It's just common sense. I've also noted that you don't understand why the wealthy should pay more. Other than for the reason I just mentioned it becomes necessary to point out that in 1945 the income tax rate for the top bracket was 91 percent. 1981-86 (your boy reagan) the effective income tax rate for the wealthiest of Americans was 50%. Point being the top tax bracket needs to stop whining.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    The drop isn't shown because the 400K didn't happen.
    Here ya go, Con ... here's two links for ya ...

    The first one is the one you claim the BLS got wrong where they show an increase of 398,000 jobs for the month of September ...


    BLS: Number in thousands Employed

    The second link is to there webpage where you can easily file a complaint with them, informing them the 398,000 job increase they show for September is wrong ...

    BLS: Point of Contact for Complaints Concerning Information Quality

    ... but be warned, Con ... they are going to expect that you can rationally explain how their 398,000 figure is wrong, and personally, I just don't see how you're up to the task.

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