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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

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    I thought you might be at least fairly intelligent and now I know you are just arrogant, let me help you again she is a "doctor" she would have to look in the mirror and fire herself, she worked hard mostly putting herself through school it took her twelve years to achieve her doctrate. Unlike you she is a real American who knows that it is our differences that make us a great nation. She knows it's not a flashy car or a 6 bedroom house that determines the value of a person. Your superior condescending attitude says all that is needed to be said about you.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I provided links to back up my historical references, and you only provide unsubstantiated opinion, again. I am noticing a pattern in your posting.
    The pattern in your posting is emotobabble that is pretending to be factual



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Identy politics....doctors aren't Liberals, only shiftless bongo beating jobless art history majors. *sarcasm*
    real doctors don't have time for that idiotic nonsense



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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am sorry if my thoughts offended you. Another poster mentioned that the higher tax rates on the wealthy did not and would not discourage people from making money. I think that is correct.

    Perhaps I am old and feeble and can not keep track of who is posting to you who posted in reply to someone else and had so and so in mind when they posted to you. I deeply apologize to you if I slighted you or your argument.
    You still fail to respond to respond to what I said to YOU. I understand you are old and feeble so I will respectfully repeat my assertion. That is that for generations we have had as aspirational society that as a basis meant that one generation strove in order that their children would be in a better place.

    You seem to indicate that there is no level of wealth that should be passed along from generation to generation. I say that doing this would make it less likely for middle that have made it to the middle class or a bit beyond will be motivated to work a few more years to build a nest egg that will eventually go to the government.

    Now you can either respond or keep the nonsense and have mindless knuckleheads "like" another non response.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Conserv, I respect your opinion but honestly, there would be no protests if people were able to go out and find jobs. 35 years ago you could start a decent career straight from high school, if you graduated college, you had some very good prospects. Nowadays you graduate with a Masters and can't find employment. I graduated, worked at a very good Brokerage firm and did well until it went belly up. I was unemployed for about 5 months while searching for another job and (thankfully) I found one. I can completely sympathize with people just out of college unable to find work.

    I do think your perspective is totally relevant and true....35 years ago but it's a little condescending as unemployment rates among the younger age groups is much higher than the rest of the population to act like they should just go out and get a job.
    I agree. And unemployment isn't the issue with my age group and younger, college grad crowd. The issue is the fact that, with my last job I had, I ran a crappy little restaurant, my dishwasher had a 4 year degree in english lit, or something like that, one of my servers had a 4 year in psychology, and is now working on her masters, so she continue to be a sever, one of my cashiers had 4 year in business managment, and I myslef have a 4 year degree. NOT in restaurant management. I hire these people because, of all the applications I get (which are a LOT, consistently), if I had to choose, I'll choose the folks that had the brains and determination to finish out their degrees in college, over people largely untested and unverifiable until AFTER hiring. You know? And now I'm outa work, because that place went under, and I've been looking for work for the past 3 months and a week. I have a part time job, at BJ's wholesale club, in the meat dept. But that only supliments unemployment. I need at least 43,000 a year, give or take, in order to really be ok. I need at LEAST 37,000 a year just to keep me and my family in the black. The extra is for college for the kids, retirement, and god forbid I ever want to be able to afford a car should one of mine breaks down. And personally, I consider myself much more fortunate than most.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I agree. And unemployment isn't the issue with my age group and younger, college grad crowd. The issue is the fact that, with my last job I had, I ran a crappy little restaurant, my dishwasher had a 4 year degree in english lit, or something like that, one of my servers had a 4 year in psychology, and is now working on her masters, so she continue to be a sever, one of my cashiers had 4 year in business managment, and I myslef have a 4 year degree. NOT in restaurant management. I hire these people because, of all the applications I get (which are a LOT, consistently), if I had to choose, I'll choose the folks that had the brains and determination to finish out their degrees in college, over people largely untested and unverifiable until AFTER hiring. You know? And now I'm outa work, because that place went under, and I've been looking for work for the past 3 months and a week. I have a part time job, at BJ's wholesale club, in the meat dept. But that only supliments unemployment. I need at least 43,000 a year, give or take, in order to really be ok. I need at LEAST 37,000 a year just to keep me and my family in the black. The extra is for college for the kids, retirement, and god forbid I ever want to be able to afford a car should one of mine breaks down. And personally, I consider myself much more fortunate than most.
    While I feel bad for the situation you and the folks you write about are in, what did anyone think they could do with a English lit degree?

    This economy stinks, but it has been bottoming out for the last 30 years, propped up by personal and government debt until that could not rise any more. Why aren't people protesting about free trade. Obama promised us fair trade where is it. Without fair trade we send our manufacturing jobs overseas and instead wind up with service sector jobs like the kind you find yourself in.

    When will the public stop being led like sheep by one party or the other. This new rally is just the Democratic response of the tea party.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Obviously, as you have abandoned the historian's perspective to just make up your own.
    I have not. Maybe YOU should look into it sometime. Do a quick google search about the history of the 16th amendment. Maybe you'll learn something in the process that you didn't already know. Making it no longer a waste of time.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I wonder how true the above statement is. For example when people talk about about the top 400 wealthiest people are those the same 400 wealthiest from 20 years ago? Was the facebook guy even on this list 10 years ago.
    And exception doesn't invalidate the rule. I'de say it's 50/50, though. With new money and old money. And the absolute, balls out richest people...were BORN that way.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    You still fail to respond to respond to what I said to YOU. I understand you are old and feeble so I will respectfully repeat my assertion. That is that for generations we have had as aspirational society that as a basis meant that one generation strove in order that their children would be in a better place.

    You seem to indicate that there is no level of wealth that should be passed along from generation to generation. I say that doing this would make it less likely for middle that have made it to the middle class or a bit beyond will be motivated to work a few more years to build a nest egg that will eventually go to the government.

    Now you can either respond or keep the nonsense and have mindless knuckleheads "like" another non response.
    I never said that there is no wealth that should not be passed on to the next generation. I said it should be taxed..... much like we tax income.

    You have the right to think what you want about peoples motivations - however, I do not think the thought of someone having to pay a tax on a fortune of amassing tens of millions of dollars is going to stop them from amassing that fortune.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    While I feel bad for the situation you and the folks you write about are in, what did anyone think they could do with a English lit degree?

    This economy stinks, but it has been bottoming out for the last 30 years, propped up by personal and government debt until that could not rise any more. Why aren't people protesting about free trade. Obama promised us fair trade where is it. Without fair trade we send our manufacturing jobs overseas and instead wind up with service sector jobs like the kind you find yourself in.

    When will the public stop being led like sheep by one party or the other. This new rally is just the Democratic response of the tea party.

    I agree. I'm not making excuses, nor am I looking for handouts. I will land on my feet, and end up on top of whatever heap I'm tossed into, and I don't require hand outs to do so. Here's some food for thought. I took this part time job, because sitting around all day doing nothing and getting 400 a week to do it is very, very boring. So, I set up a part time gig that works with my wife's schedule so we won't lose money on child car services, got going. But I don't really get any extra money out of it. I lose 67% of what I earn from the job on my unenployment. Far easier, and not a lot less lucrative, to just sit back and collect. If my wife just made a tiny bit less, then we'd qualify for food stamps, and then we would be ROLLING, but with two kids, that would get us almost 600 a month for groceries. We could be eating ribeye steaks every other day on that kinda budget. But a lot of folks in CT use their EBT to purchase items to resale, like the guy that comes into BJs every month to buy 600 bucks worth of Redbull. Think his kids need that much redbull? Another guy comes in buys and entire pallet of candy bars. Truly, this is a good use for these services, and makes me glad I am forced to pay into them.

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