Page 124 of 205 FirstFirst ... 2474114122123124125126134174 ... LastLast
Results 1,231 to 1,240 of 2044

Thread: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

  1. #1231
    User
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    11-13-11 @ 01:31 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sorry newbie
    Obviously my first time handling a debate on an internet forum. You know, where some people look up readily-available facts to support their claims whereas others just think and type.

    but I tire of the lefties whining that it is the fault of the rich that others are failures. Its not the fault of the rich that people are poor anymore than its the fault of a good student that others are failures or stupid.
    The two of you really enjoy nothing more than writing off a point by spinning into some diatribe about how liberals are ruining the country. Make a point, don't tell me a story.

    we have spent far too much time and energy excusing failure and sloth.
    Pretty sure you're not the U.S. Department of Education.

  2. #1232
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by muRda View Post
    So it's fine for you to assume they do, but not for me to assume they don't? Bear the onus, my man.


    C'mon, man, really? In the last post I specifically pointed out how you do nothing but degenerate any progress of a debate by spiraling into talking points and diving face-first into spreading your agenda without a safety cord.

    This article might be of interest to you (it taught me a good lesson): Link
    Newbie, I have been here for months, posting over and over again data from those non partisan sites. The best way for you to learn is to go to those sites and actually do research. If I do it for you then you learn nothing.

    Your statement of what I do really just ignores what I post. The data is there for you to see and it is non partisan and actual data. The problem with going to those sites however is they backfire on liberals and normally shut them up. Since you aren't a liberal then feel free to use those sites for your own benefit. You will definitely learn something there that will benefit you in the debate.
    Last edited by Conservative; 10-03-11 at 09:41 PM.

  3. #1233
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by muRda View Post
    Obviously my first time handling a debate on an internet forum. You know, where some people look up readily-available facts to support their claims whereas others just think and type.


    The two of you really enjoy nothing more than writing off a point by spinning into some diatribe about how liberals are ruining the country. Make a point, don't tell me a story.


    Pretty sure you're not the U.S. Department of Education.
    What exactly and specifically have we spun? Liberals are ruining the country and the date supports it. Obama record today, 2011.

    Obama economic results in 2011, .4% GDP and 1.3% GDP growth in 2011, 25+ million unemployed or under employed Americans in 2011, 4 trillion added to the debt in less than 3 years, and a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Rising Misery index 7.83 to 12.67. 38-41% JAR and well over 50-55% disapproval ratings

  4. #1234
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,634

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by muRda View Post
    Obviously my first time handling a debate on an internet forum. You know, where some people look up readily-available facts to support their claims whereas others just think and type.


    The two of you really enjoy nothing more than writing off a point by spinning into some diatribe about how liberals are ruining the country. Make a point, don't tell me a story.


    Pretty sure you're not the U.S. Department of Education.
    nah just a guy who has seen a few million of my tax dollars pissed away



  5. #1235
    User
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    11-13-11 @ 01:31 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Newbie
    I'm not entirely sure, but I think you guys are trying to be demeaning to me for joining an internet forum at a later time than you. If so, please excuse my lateness.

    The best way for you to learn is to go to those sites and actually do research.
    Did that three pages ago, where were you?
    Quote Originally Posted by muRda View Post
    I said "much," not vast majority. 20% of the government budget goes to "Defense Discretionary." Mandatory spending makes up 55% of total expenditures, of which Social Security (35%), Medicare (27%), and Medicaid (13%) made up 76% (i.e. ~42% of the total spending) in 2011.

    Congressional Budget Office - Budget and Economic Information

    Defensive spending has increased to 2.25 times its amount in 2001 whereas it actually decreased in the 1990s. I'll give you one guess as to the last decade that saw similar growth.

    http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/120xx/doc...les%5B1%5D.pdf

    So, does 20% of the country's major outlays constitute much of the Fed's expenditures?
    If I do it for you then you learn nothing.
    Um, no. I don't have to jump through the hoops of your endless conservative diatribes. If you'd like to get back to actually debating what I've posted (like the graph or anything else you've simply looked over), cool. Otherwise, have a good night.

    Your statement of what I do really just ignores what I post.
    Care to tell the story about Cuomo again?

  6. #1236
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,264

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by muRda View Post
    I'm not entirely sure, but I think you guys are trying to be demeaning to me for joining an internet forum at a later time than you. If so, please excuse my lateness.


    Did that three pages ago, where were you?



    Um, no. I don't have to jump through the hoops of your endless conservative diatribes. If you'd like to get back to actually debating what I've posted (like the graph or anything else you've simply looked over), cool. Otherwise, have a good night.


    Care to tell the story about Cuomo again?
    Would you explain to me why you use CBO numbers? Please explain to me what the CBO does and how accurate are they? Any idea why the defense Budget decreased in the 90's Think about it and get back to me.

    Then tell me why SS and Medicare are even part of the budget today? Do you support that?

    what is the purpose of the Federal Govt in the Libertarian world if not to defend this country. Doesn't it bother you that since Provide for the Common defense was in the preamble to the Constitution that only 20% of the budget is defense?

    Interesting how when confused you make claims of "conservative diatribe" Is that the best you can do?

    What is the Cuomo stance on taxes in NY? Do you have any idea why most of the jobs and most of the Fortune 500 companies have moved to Non income tax states?

  7. #1237
    Sage

    Donc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    out yonder
    Last Seen
    12-06-17 @ 09:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    9,426

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by muRda View Post
    I'm not entirely sure, but I think you guys are trying to be demeaning to me for joining an internet forum at a later time than you. If so, please excuse my lateness.


    Did that three pages ago, where were you?



    Um, no. I don't have to jump through the hoops of your endless conservative diatribes. If you'd like to get back to actually debating what I've posted (like the graph or anything else you've simply looked over), cool. Otherwise, have a good night.


    Care to tell the story about Cuomo again?




    Don't pay attentions to Conservative muRda, if you’ve seen one of his post you’ve seen them all.TD is here protecting the lucky sperm club. By the way welcome to DP.
    The haggardness of poverty is everywhere seen contrasted with the sleekness of wealth, the exhorted labor of some compensating for the idleness of others, wretched hovels by the side of stately colonnades, the rags of indigence blended with the ensigns of opulence; in a word, the most useless profusion in the midst of the most urgent wants.Jean-Baptiste Say

  8. #1238
    User
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Last Seen
    11-13-11 @ 01:31 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Would you explain to me why you use CBO numbers? Please explain to me what the CBO does and how accurate are they?
    CBO's mandate is to provide the Congress with:
    • Objective, nonpartisan, and timely analyses to aid in economic and budgetary decisions on the wide array of programs covered by the federal budget and
    • The information and estimates required for the Congressional budget process.
    Congressional Budget Office - Fact Sheet

    I use it because the budgetary numbers take into account other micro and macroeconomic factors other numbers usually don't from what I've noticed. And they often do comparisons between budgets and actual results.

    Any idea why the defense Budget decreased in the 90's Think about it and get back to me.
    Investing in the Middle East was exciting (Cold War), then boring, then exciting again (Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.)?

    Then tell me why SS and Medicare are even part of the budget today? Do you support that?
    As one of the more powerful nations in the world, if there is no duty to ensure the rights to all citizens hoped for us in the Constitution of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," then that is a failure of living up to the very ideals upon which this country was founded. What you see as wasteful spending on a lazy person, the liberal may see as spending on a mentally handicapped person. In a more grounded sense, the economy and society as a whole is worse off when its members are not contributing or are unable to. Society also owes a livelihood for those who become physically or mentally unable to contribute after they have spent their time in the working force (unless you want to just treat people like meat). The economic principle that gets stretched out to unjustifiable lengths by those on the right is freeloading, where an economic measure will always end up serving a portion not truly deserving of its creation.

    what is the purpose of the Federal Govt in the Libertarian world if not to defend this country. Doesn't it bother you that since Provide for the Common defense was in the preamble to the Constitution that only 20% of the budget is defense?
    I don't see how troops stationed internationally are defending this country. Also, relative to the military spending of other countries, I would think 10% would even be more than enough.

    Interesting how when confused you make claims of "conservative diatribe" Is that the best you can do?
    So confused.

    What is the Cuomo stance on taxes in NY? Do you have any idea why most of the jobs and most of the Fortune 500 companies have moved to Non income tax states?
    I'm probably going to look to move out of New York because it's expensive, too. That's usually what you get when you live near a major city in any country, let alone most populous.
    Last edited by muRda; 10-03-11 at 11:28 PM.

  9. #1239
    I'm not-low all the time
    Kushinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    West Loop
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:09 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    16,254

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I believe what i say and I doubt you can disprove what I say or establish I am intellectually dishonest.
    I doubt that the burden of proof resides on me (especially when you are the one making the claim). However, what i have stated cannot be refuted by you nor your ideology.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

  10. #1240
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:41 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,634

    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I doubt that the burden of proof resides on me (especially when you are the one making the claim). However, what i have stated cannot be refuted by you nor your ideology.
    that's a rather obtuse way of saying what you attempt to say but then again I understand what libertarian means



Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •