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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And the liberal position is to pander to those they want to keep dependent. What would you compromise on? Think liberals want welfare reform? Why would you cut the tax breaks for the rich and ignore the fact that almost 50% of the others pay zero in FIT? the compromise should be on a flat tax where everyone pays something and the compromise should be massive downsizing of the Federal govt. and putting the power back to the states where it belongs. Liberals have no interest in doing that as they prefer passing the buck to a massive Fed. Govt.
    And NONE of what you said addresses the issue of jobs. Here's a hint, jobs is going to be the number one issue for most voters. Please by all means have your candidates run on eliminating government jobs, keeping the tax breaks for the rich, and cutting social programs. By doing so the GOP will ensure that Obama (even with the poor record be has) will be elected.

    It's the two party "is what it is" system and why no matter who gets elected, America loses.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    And the liberal position is to pander to those they want to keep dependent. What would you compromise on? Think liberals want welfare reform? Why would you cut the tax breaks for the rich and ignore the fact that almost 50% of the others pay zero in FIT? the compromise should be on a flat tax where everyone pays something and the compromise should be massive downsizing of the Federal govt. and putting the power back to the states where it belongs. Liberals have no interest in doing that as they prefer passing the buck to a massive Fed. Govt.
    Have to add that nothing you list is a compromise since it doesn't include anything the other side is asking for. That's the problem with BOTH sides. No compromise.

    The GOP won in 2010 because people were tired of the status quo. People are now tired of a dysfunctional government because of no compromising. The GOP is going to "Kerry" themselves and snatch defeat from victory.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    They couldn't ignore the ass whipping they took in November of last year, nor will they be able to ignore the second ass whipping they'll get next November. Obama's days are numbered and he knows it. He gave it the old college try, but was obviously not up to the task. I'd respect him more if he just bowed out and didn't run in November. I've heard rumors that come January, without significant good news from the economy, he will do just that.
    Obama has done a great job, if it weren't for republicans he would of passed the bills how he wanted them to be passed. Now we are stuck with nay sayers like yourself who are blaming Obama for the passed two years. When in reality, it was electing republicans into the senate/HoR that was the problem.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    They couldn't ignore the ass whipping they took in November of last year, nor will they be able to ignore the second ass whipping they'll get next November. Obama's days are numbered and he knows it. He gave it the old college try, but was obviously not up to the task. I'd respect him more if he just bowed out and didn't run in November. I've heard rumors that come January, without significant good news from the economy, he will do just that.
    The Republican party is less popular than the President. If anything people are fed up with Washington focusing more on Medical Care or defunding Planned Parenthood and NPR than actually doing something about the economy. If anything that "ass whipping" you mentioned has reminded Americans why they voted our Republicans in the first place.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And NONE of what you said addresses the issue of jobs. Here's a hint, jobs is going to be the number one issue for most voters. Please by all means have your candidates run on eliminating government jobs, keeping the tax breaks for the rich, and cutting social programs. By doing so the GOP will ensure that Obama (even with the poor record be has) will be elected.

    It's the two party "is what it is" system and why no matter who gets elected, America loses.
    Here's the hint, class warfare will never create jobs and the best job creator would be the firing of Barack Obama. It will be the Obama record on the ballot in 2012 and that record is a disaster. Creating Govt. jobs is never the answer for who pays for those jobs? 53% of the people that pay all the taxes aren't going to hire more tax payers and that is the issue.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The Republican party is less popular than the President. If anything people are fed up with Washington focusing more on Medical Care or defunding Planned Parenthood and NPR than actually doing something about the economy. If anything that "ass whipping" you mentioned has reminded Americans why they voted our Republicans in the first place.
    The Republican Party isn't on the ballot, Obama will be and that includes his record. There is no reason to re-elect Obama and the best job creator would be him losing his.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    The Return of the Tax Fairy

    "We have already seen the return of the Tax Fairy, the absurd belief, depressingly widespread in Republican circles, that cutting taxes increases revenue. Even Greg Mankiw, chair of George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers, called those who believe this fiction “charlatans and cranks.” But it has become almost doctrine within the GOP. "

    "Back when the cuts were enacted, the administration and its allies in Congress spent a lot of time talking about how there were cuts for everyone (or at least everyone who pays income taxes, a crucial distinction they weren’t at pains to make). They were less comfortable talking about the fact that people of modest means got a few hundred dollars, while millionaires were showered with tens or even hundreds of thousands. It wasn’t just the cuts in the top rates—the administration pushed for a series of cuts, on stock dividends and inheritances, among other things, targeted squarely at the wealthy.

    When the tax cuts were passed, the prevailing assumption was that when the 10 years expired, Congress would make them permanent, no matter which party was in charge or who was president. After all, who wants to vote for a tax increase? But now, the Obama administration has put Republicans in a difficult spot. President Barack Obama’s proposal is to make the cuts permanent—but only for Americans making less than $250,000 a year, in keeping with a promise he made during the 2008 campaign. This forces Republicans to explicitly argue against a tax cut for the wealthy—and only for the wealthy.

    And whatever else Americans think about taxes, they emphatically believe the wealthy get off easy; polls consistently show around 60 percent saying the rich don’t pay their fair share. If you’re a conservative, how do you deal with that? The justifications shift to whatever focus groups are saying is most effective at a given moment, but the goal is always the same: Make sure that the wealthy pay as little as possible. "

    The Return of the Tax Fairy
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Return of the Tax Fairy

    "We have already seen the return of the Tax Fairy, the absurd belief, depressingly widespread in Republican circles, that cutting taxes increases revenue. Even Greg Mankiw, chair of George W. Bush’s Council of Economic Advisers, called those who believe this fiction “charlatans and cranks.” But it has become almost doctrine within the GOP. "

    "Back when the cuts were enacted, the administration and its allies in Congress spent a lot of time talking about how there were cuts for everyone (or at least everyone who pays income taxes, a crucial distinction they weren’t at pains to make). They were less comfortable talking about the fact that people of modest means got a few hundred dollars, while millionaires were showered with tens or even hundreds of thousands. It wasn’t just the cuts in the top rates—the administration pushed for a series of cuts, on stock dividends and inheritances, among other things, targeted squarely at the wealthy.

    When the tax cuts were passed, the prevailing assumption was that when the 10 years expired, Congress would make them permanent, no matter which party was in charge or who was president. After all, who wants to vote for a tax increase? But now, the Obama administration has put Republicans in a difficult spot. President Barack Obama’s proposal is to make the cuts permanent—but only for Americans making less than $250,000 a year, in keeping with a promise he made during the 2008 campaign. This forces Republicans to explicitly argue against a tax cut for the wealthy—and only for the wealthy.

    And whatever else Americans think about taxes, they emphatically believe the wealthy get off easy; polls consistently show around 60 percent saying the rich don’t pay their fair share. If you’re a conservative, how do you deal with that? The justifications shift to whatever focus groups are saying is most effective at a given moment, but the goal is always the same: Make sure that the wealthy pay as little as possible. "

    The Return of the Tax Fairy
    How much extra are you sending in to the Federal Govt. to fund the 3.7 trillion dollar budget? I don't see liberals ever putting their money where their mouth is. Never have I seen so much passion for taking more money from the taxpayer and send that money to the D.C. Politicians who participated in the creation of the 14.6 trillion dollar debt. Please explain that passion?

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How much extra are you sending in to the Federal Govt. to fund the 3.7 trillion dollar budget? I don't see liberals ever putting their money where their mouth is. Never have I seen so much passion for taking more money from the taxpayer and send that money to the D.C. Politicians who participated in the creation of the 14.6 trillion dollar debt. Please explain that passion?
    Tax policy is something that applies to all the citizens of a nation as an duty of citizenship and the price we pay for living in this civilized society. It is not something which is subject to a voluntary contribution depending on how much you can find under the sofa cushions. What a public policy discussion on the subject is comes down to what that price is going to be.... and that does not involve depending on the extra money the right wing keeps hauling out in the pockets of their favorite strawman.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Tax policy is something that applies to all the citizens of a nation as an duty of citizenship and the price we pay for living in this civilized society. It is not something which is subject to a voluntary contribution depending on how much you can find under the sofa cushions. What a public policy discussion on the subject is comes down to what that price is going to be.... and that does not involve depending on the extra money the right wing keeps hauling out in the pockets of their favorite strawman.
    Right,and right now 47% of the people pay zero in FIT which funds the price of citizenship. so in the liberal world their "fair share" is zero.

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