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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You are so right.... there is much waste, fraud and abuse within the government. Let's start with the $2.3T that the Pentagon can not account for (two years of deficit and 15% of the current national debt...just missing).

    9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon - YouTube

    (this one had a very short news cycle as it was released in a 9/10/2001 press conference)

    Then there is the War in Iraq (and Afghanistan) which has current direct cost estimate of $1T and an indirect estimate of $3T....

    9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon - YouTube

    So, our military has had unnecessary expenditures of $5T (now we are talking 5 years of current Bush style annual deficits or 1/3 of the total existing debt)

    Our annual military expenditures are just about $700B. This is more than 6 times that of any other country. It seems if act to curtail our imperialism (the need to have bases in every little podunk country and reduce our involvement in the squabbles of others) plus cut back on all of these weapon systems designed to fight symmetric wars (that have become substantially obsolete) you could achieve a near term savings of $400B to $500B without hurting security (which arguably is compromised by having so many wars to begin with)

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    Sorry, our economy is substantially in the tank because we feel compelled to buy these incredible toys, which then motivates us to actually use them (no point in having the toy just sit in the hanger), but are unwilling to raise the taxes to pay for them. Sorry again, but Bush's idea of starting two wars and cutting taxes to pay for them goes beyond irresponsible. Given that he took our economy from a functionally balanced budget to annual deficits of more than $1T in eight years is so beyond incompetence, it borders on treason.... that is the Bush record (oh, but you voted for him twice).... Yes, you can criticize the Obama, its fair game, but the previous guy's drunken taxcut and spend orgy caused problem, the current guy just hasn't been able to fix it.
    No President spends a dime without Congress and it is Congressional oversight which has failed us as well. I don't buy the 2.3 trillion claim as that is more money than has been spent on the wars. Typical liberal BS is to blame the military and ignore things like the War on Poverty. You think the "waste" in the military has caused the trillions wasted on poverty programs? There is so much waste in the govt. and the military isn't exempt but the military is the focus of the liberals.

    Did you even watch the clip? Rumsfield was speaking in 2001 and the war didn't begin in Iraq until March 2003.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Can you imagine how helpful these protestors would be working in a soup kitchen or just providing motivation for the poor by spending time with them actually providing aid and motivation? Obama has spent more money than any President in U.S. history and we have more poverty today with greater govt. power yet you want to focus on the private sector. The real American TEA Party was protesting higher taxes and bigger govt. Amazing how times have changed.
    People who work in soup kitchens bring more value to society then most wall street brokers have


    You see, the grass is always greener on the other side with people like you as you let the weeds grow in your own yard. The massive growth of the Federal Govt. into the 3.7 trillion dollar monstrosity we have today is ignored because that seems to be your goal, a large Central Govt. Tell me what you vision is for the role of the Federal Govt. and then the state and local governments?
    I see as usual you are trying to get away from disputing the facts I have presented about how wall street is responsible for the transfer of wealth, how the rich steal from the poor. As usual you are short on facts and long on rhetoric.

    The rich have an agenda it's simple destroy the middle class in any way possible in 2012 they will see that they need to change direction, occupy wall street will unite the vast majority of people, result: democratic control of both houses, the reelection of President Obama and the end of the Koch Brother's tea baggers

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    People who work in soup kitchens bring more value to society then most wall street brokers have
    They are going to have to be if you liberals get your way....Everyone will need the soup kitchens....

    The rich have an agenda it's simple destroy the middle class in any way possible in 2012 they will see that they need to change direction, occupy wall street will unite the vast majority of people, result: democratic control of both houses, the reelection of President Obama and the end of the Koch Brother's tea baggers
    Pure pap....However this notion of "democratic control"...What do you mean when you use that term...I have an idea, but I'd like to hear what you mean....

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    People who work in soup kitchens bring more value to society then most wall street brokers have


    I see as usual you are trying to get away from disputing the facts I have presented about how wall street is responsible for the transfer of wealth, how the rich steal from the poor. As usual you are short on facts and long on rhetoric.

    The rich have an agenda it's simple destroy the middle class in any way possible in 2012 they will see that they need to change direction, occupy wall street will unite the vast majority of people, result: democratic control of both houses, the reelection of President Obama and the end of the Koch Brother's tea baggers
    As usual you are apparently a guilty individual who complains about what others don't have as you work in your garden and do nothing to really help someone else. "Your" President voted for the bank bailout and filled his Administration with those Wall Street individuals you now want to hate. Instead of doing something constructive you simply want to blame someone else for the failure of others. Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress 2007-2011 and what was accomplished? Obama voted for the 2009 budget while in the Senate and had overwhelming numbers in Congress yet poverty increased yet what you do is ignore facts.

    Obama and liberalism has done more to destroy the economy than any other President in History and the results show it. Keep buying the liberal rhetoric and ignore the liberal results.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    They couldn't ignore the ass whipping they took in November of last year, nor will they be able to ignore the second ass whipping they'll get next November. Obama's days are numbered and he knows it. He gave it the old college try, but was obviously not up to the task. I'd respect him more if he just bowed out and didn't run in November. I've heard rumors that come January, without significant good news from the economy, he will do just that.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Again a response without thought. These cuts took millions of people off the federal tax system. Millions did not get a reduction to their tax bill, they now pay no tax. I would have expected the above response from Hay, who gave you the thumbs up, but again that is thinking that is lacking a basis in reality.

    Is it enough on this site to just hate so much that the truth have no meaning, if so that is not debate, just mindless spewing back and forth.
    Anyone that looks honestly at how over the last 30 years total federal taxes as percentage of total income has risen for the middle class and been reduced for the richest cannot come to a different conclusion.

    It is obvious to the majority of the country that the middle class is losing ground to poverty, just as the rich at the same time are doing better than ever.

    There have been dozens of polls since January testifying that the majority of the country think tax breaks for the wealthy should be eliminated.
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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Well if conservatives feel so strongly about not taxing the rich anymore, let them campaign on it. Let them state how they want to eliminate government agencies and put even MORE people out of work.

    The main issue for people is jobs jobs jobs. So far the GOP wants to put even more people out of work instead. Go conservatives, rock on and keep your lips firmly anted on the rich's ass.

    The only real solution to fixing this debt and jobs crisis, is for both sides to compromise with one another and work together. Too bad neither side really wants to do that.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Well if conservatives feel so strongly about not taxing the rich anymore, let them campaign on it. Let them state how they want to eliminate government agencies and put even MORE people out of work.

    The main issue for people is jobs jobs jobs. So far the GOP wants to put even more people out of work instead. Go conservatives, rock on and keep your lips firmly anted on the rich's ass.

    The only real solution to fixing this debt and jobs crisis, is for both sides to compromise with one another and work together. Too bad neither side really wants to do that.
    Who do you think the 65 million working Americans that pay zero in FIT are going to vote for? Keep beating the liberal drum that created this class warfare and see how far that gets you. the only ones that benefit from the classware rhetoric are liberals who retain power and keep people dependent.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Who do you think the 65 million working Americans that pay zero in FIT are going to vote for? Keep beating the liberal drum that created this class warfare and see how far that gets you. the only ones that benefit from the classware rhetoric are liberals who retain power and keep people dependent.
    And keep diverting from the fact that the conservative solution is to keep pandering to the rich, while causing even MORE unemployment by cutting government jobs.

    The only solution is compromise. Start welfare reform, cut all foreign aid, cut the tax breaks for the rich, and cut military spending for starters. Then work out how to get people retrained for jobs that are available for people to work.

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    Re: White House Tax Plan Would Ask More of Millionaires

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    And keep diverting from the fact that the conservative solution is to keep pandering to the rich, while causing even MORE unemployment by cutting government jobs.

    The only solution is compromise. Start welfare reform, cut all foreign aid, cut the tax breaks for the rich, and cut military spending for starters. Then work out how to get people retrained for jobs that are available for people to work.
    And the liberal position is to pander to those they want to keep dependent. What would you compromise on? Think liberals want welfare reform? Why would you cut the tax breaks for the rich and ignore the fact that almost 50% of the others pay zero in FIT? the compromise should be on a flat tax where everyone pays something and the compromise should be massive downsizing of the Federal govt. and putting the power back to the states where it belongs. Liberals have no interest in doing that as they prefer passing the buck to a massive Fed. Govt.

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