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    Re: U.S. jobs crisis may get bloody; Bloomberg, experts warn of riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, you sent a link saying it was costly. And another that some THINK it is over regulation, but nothing objective to prove it is overdone.
    That it is costly and ineffective strongly suggests it is overdone. How can you defend those extra costs? It's easy to investigate the complaints, unless you're in serious denial.

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    Why do you think? They spend a lot more money on business than they do people on welfare. I'm sure if you think about it you can come up with a reason.
    Spending money on business? You mean as in the case of GM and Chrysler? I agree that it is completely wrong. There is no vehicle shortage in the US and no threat of there being one.
    Nope. I'm suggesting you can't bibe them enough to keep them. In places where taxes have been eliminated altogether, they still left. You have to consider working for next to nothing, foregoing health care benefits, and becoming as cheap as where they are going. Appeasing them with mere taxes won't be enough.
    Certainly any company, and individual, will leave if their are better opportunities elsewhere. Many states and countries compete for companies in order to have more jobs for their citizens. There is nothing unusual about that. If the US government is not a good place to do business, and in the past it was among the best, then businesses will do what they are doing. Leave It is not difficult to figure out.
    But I sure as hell wouldn't give them any more money either.
    Of course not. That runs contrary to the idea of free enterprise. As the US has been turning its back on the free enterprise system, national debts and unemployment have increased, and they'll continue to do so.

    There is a lot of support, from both parties. No me mind you, but there is support. The auto industry once took a money, in the millions I think, for a "jobs program." We gave the money, they fired folks, and made huge profits. Them folding would have been painful, and our leaders would have been blamed, wrongly so, but business won't do us any damned favors in return. And some, largely conservative, will make excuses for them while demonizing the individual who might need some help. It is all quite illogical.
    It is not wise for the government to give money to businesses. The opportunity for corruption and incompetence and cronyism should be abundantly clear.

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    Re: U.S. jobs crisis may get bloody; Bloomberg, experts warn of riots

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    That it is costly and ineffective strongly suggests it is overdone. How can you defend those extra costs? It's easy to investigate the complaints, unless you're in serious denial.

    Natural Gas Policy: Access, Not Over-Regulation and Subsidies

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    You still don't understand what I need from you. Take this from your source:

    Others are pushing for more regulation due to environmental concerns over a critical part of the gas-extraction process, hydraulic fracturing.
    Now, what is the concern, is it valid, and does it outweight what we get and any other option? This is what I'm asking you for and not some conservative foundation complaining.

    Spending money on business? You mean as in the case of GM and Chrysler? I agree that it is completely wrong. There is no vehicle shortage in the US and no threat of there being one.
    They do provide jobs though, and since so many think government controls jobs in the US, the politiican can't afford to let that many be lost. Blow back would be rough. Also, business can donate a lot more money than you and I can, so there goes our tax dollars.

    Certainly any company, and individual, will leave if their are better opportunities elsewhere. Many states and countries compete for companies in order to have more jobs for their citizens. There is nothing unusual about that. If the US government is not a good place to do business, and in the past it was among the best, then businesses will do what they are doing. Leave It is not difficult to figure out.
    Yep. Which means my father-in-law's generation was wrong to be loyal to a company that would never be loyal to him. This being the case, no since trying to appease them when there is simply not enough we can do. We are looking at having third world workers here, saying good ridance to business that won't pay our wages, provide health care, or contribute to the contry they use.

    Of course not. That runs contrary to the idea of free enterprise. As the US has been turning its back on the free enterprise system, national debts and unemployment have increased, and they'll continue to do so.
    Great, we agree. Now talk to your conservative brotheren who constantly are willing to give them the farm all while kissing their feet and thanking them for the right to lick up that toe jam.

    It is not wise for the government to give money to businesses. The opportunity for corruption and incompetence and cronyism should be abundantly clear.
    yes, as we've seen. And yet, it has been this way, our tax dollars going to business, for a long, long, long time. We spend far more on coporate welfare than regular welfare, by a large margin.

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    Re: U.S. jobs crisis may get bloody; Bloomberg, experts warn of riots

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Now, what is the concern, is it valid, and does it outweight what we get and any other option? This is what I'm asking you for and not some conservative foundation complaining.
    What is happening is that roadblocks are being set up everywhere in order that this pipeline does not proceed, despite it being the highest technology in the world and 200,000 miles of it already in the ground. It is being over regulated to death. Someone tells you that there is a thereat and you will say further studies have to be made. Six months or a year later someone will make another claim, again unfounded, and further studies will be done.

    Meanwhile the Chinese are moving in and the US inertia will leave them in the dark.

    They do provide jobs though, and since so many think government controls jobs in the US, the politiican can't afford to let that many be lost. Blow back would be rough. Also, business can donate a lot more money than you and I can, so there goes our tax dollars.
    Where is the loss of jobs if GM or Chrysler goes under? Does that mean fewer cars will be made? Of course not! Cars will continue to be made and the same number of people will continue to work in order to supply these automobiles. Car companies have gione under many times before and workers just moved on to the more successful companies. It should not be the job of government to subsidize companies in order to help their competition. This is not only hurts the consumer, it also takes money out of the pocket of the taxpayer.

    Yep. Which means my father-in-law's generation was wrong to be loyal to a company that would never be loyal to him.
    Not at all. Buut if your father-in-law was making buggy whips then both he and is employer could be out of luck. Your first loalty should always be to your family, though there is no reason why it can't exist elsewhere if it is reciprocated.
    This being the case, no since trying to appease them when there is simply not enough we can do. We are looking at having third world workers here, saying good ridance to business that won't pay our wages, provide health care, or contribute to the country they use.
    You have allowed millions of third world workers to illegally enter your country and are supplying with with all the services they would never expect elsewhere. And there is no reason why companies should pay for your health care, rent, food or furniture. You should be adult enough to look after the possibility of illness or incapacitation and for over 200 years thats just what Americans did. Then business and government colluded to make health care horribly expensive and so you want to saddle business with this expense, making it almost impossible for them to compete in foreign markets for anything Made In America.

    Great, we agree. Now talk to your conservative brotheren who constantly are willing to give them the farm all while kissing their feet and thanking them for the right to lick up that toe jam.
    I have no idea what you are talking about here. Leftists have never been strong on metaphors, as was made so clear in the lead in peanut butter example. .

    yes, as we've seen. And yet, it has been this way, our tax dollars going to business, for a long, long, long time. We spend far more on coporate welfare than regular welfare, by a large margin.
    Yes. As you can see with this latest debacle where Obama gave $500 million to some political friends, as well as the deals with Chrysler and GM, this system is only to open for abuse.

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