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    Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    Personally I think the decedents of conquered people should not get any special treatment, sovereignty or tax payer money. Conquered people and their descendants should be integrated with the rest of the population. Besides that how are they going to demand sovereignty when they are getting tax payer money?

    Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks - US news - Life - msnbc.com

    The nation's second-largest Indian tribe said on Tuesday that it would not be dictated to by the U.S. government over its move to banish 2,800 African Americans from its citizenship rolls.

    "The Cherokee Nation will not be governed by the BIA," Joe Crittenden, the tribe's acting principal chief, said in a statement responding to the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs.
    Crittenden, who leads the tribe until a new principal chief is elected, went on to complain about unnamed congressmen meddling in the tribe's self-governance.
    The reaction follows a letter the tribe received on Monday from BIA Assistant Secretary Larry Echo Hawk, who warned that the results of the September 24 Cherokee election for principal chief will not be recognized by the U.S. government if the ousted members, known to some as "Cherokee Freedmen," are not allowed to vote.
    The dispute stems from the fact that some wealthy Cherokee owned black slaves who worked on their plantations in the South. By the 1830s, most of the tribe was forced to relocate to present-day Oklahoma, and many took their slaves with them. The so-called Freedmen are descendants of those slaves.
    After the Civil War, in which the Cherokee fought for the South, a treaty was signed in 1866 guaranteeing tribal citizenship for the freed slaves.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    What ugliness....historically, and every other way.

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    Hmm, seems to me if the Cherokee signed a legal treaty giving the decendants of the Cherokee's black slaves tribal citizenship, then they are bound by that treaty and have to let their "Cherokee Freedmen" vote. If they violate the treaty, the the other signatory of the treaty, the USA, can now consider ALL covenants of that treaty, including the granting of sovereign Cherokee land, null and void.

    I don't think the Cherokee want to press Uncle Sam on this issue. They won't like the way it turns out.

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Hmm, seems to me if the Cherokee signed a legal treaty giving the decendants of the Cherokee's black slaves tribal citizenship, then they are bound by that treaty and have to let their "Cherokee Freedmen" vote. If they violate the treaty, the the other signatory of the treaty, the USA, can now consider ALL covenants of that treaty, including the granting of sovereign Cherokee land, null and void.

    I don't think the Cherokee want to press Uncle Sam on this issue. They won't like the way it turns out.
    Indian law is extraordinarially complex....I wouldn't be so quick to make snap judgments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Indian law is extraordinarially complex....I wouldn't be so quick to make snap judgments.
    What Cherokee law allows the tribe to kick out their black members? Did the make a law that sucks screw the treaty? is there some loophole?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Hmm, seems to me if the Cherokee signed a legal treaty giving the decendants of the Cherokee's black slaves tribal citizenship, then they are bound by that treaty and have to let their "Cherokee Freedmen" vote. If they violate the treaty, the the other signatory of the treaty, the USA, can now consider ALL covenants of that treaty, including the granting of sovereign Cherokee land, null and void.

    I don't think the Cherokee want to press Uncle Sam on this issue. They won't like the way it turns out.
    did that treaty guarantee the descendents of the black slaves would be found tribal members or only that those slaves at the time of the treaty were to be found tribal members?

    the irony. a federal agency complaining that it is the Indians breaking a treaty
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What Cherokee law allows the tribe to kick out their black members? Did the make a law that sucks screw the treaty? is there some loophole?
    the Cherokee nation gets to determine for itself what it considers enrolled tribal membership to be
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    The Cherokee Nation is a sovereign nation. What they do concerning tribal membership is ultimately the tribe's business.

    BIA = Bossing Indians Around.

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    The Cherokee Nation is a sovereign nation.
    If its a sovereign nation then why do they get US tax payer money?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Cherokee Indians: We are free to oust blacks

    anyone ask how black people got there in the first place?

    edit: nvm i didn't read carefully.

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