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Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

Opening up drilling, lossening job killing regulations, stop trying to raise taxes on people every other month; just a few off the top of my head.
Which part of this has NOT been tried already?

The biggest thing the Republicans have going for them, is that they know the government can't fix the economy, nor create jobs.
The bolded part makes no sense.
 
Have we gotten action from the Democrats?

Oh, wait; yes we have, lots of action. How's that worked out for the country, so far?

Same as if we had Republicans in charge instead.
 
Same as if we had Republicans in charge instead.

How are you coming on that list of solutions to solve our problems. Would hope that a PHD would have something positive to offer.
 
I asked you for your proposals and get nothing but more whining. For your information I don't have a party, I am a conservative but vote Republican because they are the better alternative. Think about it, Gore, Kerry, and Obama. Why would you vote for them? Staying home or voting for a third party just assures those leftwing nuts get elected and re-elected

You have a party, it's the Republicans. You won't vote third party or Democrat; thus you are Republican. I'll ask again, what proposals has your party (the Republicans) come up with that would make a difference?

You can ask for my proposals all you want, but my proposals and your proposals mean NOTHING as neither of us are in office. You support the Republicans, you claim them to be a better solution, you rally against Obama. So tell me, what plan have the Republicans come up with that would be of help? If you can't answer the question, then you just prove that the Republicans and Democrats are equally useless and neither deserve my vote.

If you're going to whine that my voting third party gets Obama and whatever elected, fine. In fact, GOOD. I hope it does. Maybe YOU and your PARTY will learn then that if they want to win, they're gonna need MY vote. And if you want MY vote, you best damned well put the best candidate of the entire political arena out there, the one which will best echo my political beliefs and platforms. Because if there is someone better, I will vote for them (that's REALLY what it means to have "no party", not this crap you claim about not having one but blindly voting Republican even if it means the demise of the Republic). If you don't want to lose, start putting up better candidates.
 
Opening up drilling, lossening job killing regulations, stop trying to raise taxes on people every other month; just a few off the top of my head.

The biggest thing the Republicans have going for them, is that they know the government can't fix the economy, nor create jobs.

Government has plenty of jobs. It's probably one of the biggest employers in the country. Government CAN fix the economy, in fact it's part of the Fed's responsibilities (balance inflation and unemployment, though lately they seemed to have forgotten that last step). Just because the current incarnation of the government composed of the Republocrats is retarded and broken and can't do these things does not mean government in general cannot.

And you posted nothing specific other than the same tired talking points we hear the Republicans spout off all the time complete with hyperbole. We have a lower tax burden now than under Reagan...where's our jobs? Less regulation too. In fact, that's one reason why the banks took such a huge hit when the economy collaspsed, we removed ther leverage regulations and the leveraged too high and felt the burn. Then the government (Republicans and Democrats alike!) took our money and gave it to them even though THEY had acted irresponsibly. The Republocrats removed their consequence of action while crippling the rest of us.

Now that their buddies in Wall Street and the Banks and the big corporations have been taken care of. Their CEO pals not slightly poorer nor held to the consequences of their actions, what hurry are the Republocrats in to help US? The rest of America is hurting, the common man on the street is hurting, but all we get is bitching from both sides of the Republocrats and no action to solve the problem.

Thanks for nothing, all you prove is that the Republocrats are useless, worthless, and unworthy of my vote.
 
Revenue rises and falls with GDP, not tax rates.

This sounds suspiciously like you're falling for the trap of binary thinking. It is, of course, both. Tax rate * GDP = revenue.
 
When are you going to stop buying the lies coming from this Administration?

IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes At Higher Rate Than Middle Class | Fox News

Until the govt. gets its act together and stops spending and then puts 25 plus million Americans that are unemployed and under employed back to work full time, I will never support tax hikes. You, on the other hand, buy what liberals tell you just like you buy what the union stewards tell you. Try doing some research for a change.
i have done my research, unlike you my friend, and i refuse to bury my head in the sand, unlike you my friend, and i refuse to avoid reality, unlike you my friend, who avoids it at all costs........take off your conservative colored eyeglasses, and have a look at stark reality my friend....anyone with common sense, who will look at our situation, and is honest, will acknowledge that we need to tackle our debt/deficit from both angles, that of spending cuts, and revenue increases...quit buying what the boehners, limbaughs, hannitys, becks, levins or tea party leaders tell you...taxes have been cut, and cut, and cut some more, and cut some more after that, and what have we gotten? bigger deficits, bigger debt, more debt service being paid, we go further and further in the hole, and i'm gonna tell you something, and i know it will shock you, and i know what your response will be already....psssst...conservative, democrats have had alot of help from republicans getting us into this mess, both are responsible for where we are, and both sides will have to stand up, look their bases in eye, and explain some cold, cruel, hard facts of life to them...we need additional revenue(sorry, cold hard fact here, difficult to stomach for conservatives/republicans) and we need spending cuts(sorry, cold hard fact here, for democrats)


if i thought we could balance our books with just cuts, i would support that...i don't, not with the current debt/deficits we have now. you can continue to bury your head in the sand, and deny reality, i , on the other hand , refuse to do that. i will continue to write my congress critters, even the despicable john bonehead, and tell them to pull their heads out of their asses. time to 'man up' for both parties. both sides are responsible for the mess, both sides are needed to clean it up, and both bases are not going to be happy with what needs to be done, but it is reality, politics aside.
 
Isn't that what the Democrats did in 2007-2008? Were the deficits during the Bush term higher or lower when the Republicans controlled the Congress vs. Democrats controlling the Congress?
both sides are guilty, one is not better than the other, both have contributed to our mess, this is the response i knew i would get..."but but but, dems spent more" as if that justifies continued support of policy that has led us to this point.
 
ahhh, you're bringing crocodile tears to my eyes. Obama is doing nothing but playing politics. He is pandering to his base by acting as if a puny tax on corporate jets will solve all our economic problems. Dem Senators and Reps will not even vote for his phoney bill.

It was only a year ago that Obama was saying that taxes should NEVER be raised during a recession. While we may not be in a textbook definition of a recession, we are awfully close and the majority of people believe are in one.
and obama was wrong....both sides need to man up and get this country's s### in order, before we are like greece and asking 'hey brother, can you spare a dime?'
 
I asked you for your proposals and get nothing but more whining. For your information I don't have a party, I am a conservative but vote Republican because they are the better alternative. Think about it, Gore, Kerry, and Obama. Why would you vote for them? Staying home or voting for a third party just assures those leftwing nuts get elected and re-elected
bull, you are a republican , why lie about it?
 
that is incorrect- revenue continued to climb after 2005 (in fact, it reached historic post-war high's as a % of GDP), and then plummeted as we decided to rapidly expand government in response to the crash of 2008/2009.

In one post you're saying revenue is only a function of GDP, but in this block you're saying it isn't a function of GDP at all, it is a function of the size of government.

Revenue = gdp * tax rate. We dropped the tax rates like crazy, forcing deficit spending and forcing our safety net to fall far behind the rest of the first world. As a result, the foundations of our society started to fall apart. Investment far outstripped consumption, so the market corrected. That crash, combined with the low tax rates, was a recipe for disaster.

Keep in mind that the revenue figures lag like a year. You don't pay taxes until April of the year after the current year.

no. because the highest we've ever raised in revenue was 20% of GDP - and we did that with lower taxes and higher growth. furthermore, increased government (as demonstrated) depresses revenues - so you have to cut government in order to increase revenues. the two are inversely linked.

We've been around 20% several times. 1945, 1969, 1981, and 2000. In all those instances we had higher taxes on the rich than we do now. In 1945 we had a top income tax bracket of 94%. In 1969 it was 77%. In 1981 it was 69%. Only 2000 was close to the absurdly low rates we have on the rich today, but it was still 39%, which is what the Democrats want to go back to. So, no, the evidence does not support your case at all.

wtf? people acting stupidly is the fault of those who act intelligently?

What are you talking about? You are saying that not being super rich is "acting stupidly"?

that, at least, is correct.

the problem is their lifestyle not matching their income.

"oh don't worry honey - house prices will always go up. let's just take out all our equity in an adjustable rate second home mortgage and use the money to go on vacation to the bahama's and then buy you a new car and me a new flatscreen."

if their belts are feeling squeezed, it's because they eat too much; their consumption is higher than is good for them.

Using silly characterizations to depict the middle class as greedy while fetishizing the rich is obviously silly. Obviously the rich top that chart a million times over. If middle class people in the US still got the same slice of the GDP that they got in the 60s the median household income in the US would be over $140k/year. Instead it is $44k. That's the cost of this process of shoveling money into the pockets of the rich you are defending- about $100k per year per household. To respond to that situation by trying to demonize the middle class as being stupid for wanting to at least preserve their current quality of life is disgusting to me.
 
i have done my research, unlike you my friend, and i refuse to bury my head in the sand, unlike you my friend, and i refuse to avoid reality, unlike you my friend, who avoids it at all costs........take off your conservative colored eyeglasses, and have a look at stark reality my friend....anyone with common sense, who will look at our situation, and is honest, will acknowledge that we need to tackle our debt/deficit from both angles, that of spending cuts, and revenue increases...quit buying what the boehners, limbaughs, hannitys, becks, levins or tea party leaders tell you...taxes have been cut, and cut, and cut some more, and cut some more after that, and what have we gotten? bigger deficits, bigger debt, more debt service being paid, we go further and further in the hole, and i'm gonna tell you something, and i know it will shock you, and i know what your response will be already....psssst...conservative, democrats have had alot of help from republicans getting us into this mess, both are responsible for where we are, and both sides will have to stand up, look their bases in eye, and explain some cold, cruel, hard facts of life to them...we need additional revenue(sorry, cold hard fact here, difficult to stomach for conservatives/republicans) and we need spending cuts(sorry, cold hard fact here, for democrats)


if i thought we could balance our books with just cuts, i would support that...i don't, not with the current debt/deficits we have now. you can continue to bury your head in the sand, and deny reality, i , on the other hand , refuse to do that. i will continue to write my congress critters, even the despicable john bonehead, and tell them to pull their heads out of their asses. time to 'man up' for both parties. both sides are responsible for the mess, both sides are needed to clean it up, and both bases are not going to be happy with what needs to be done, but it is reality, politics aside.

Have you tried to get this post published as pure fiction? You actually believe that giving the Govt. more revenue is going to lower the deficits, create a balanced budget, and start paying down the debt and you are gong to do this by raising taxes on the rich? We have a 3.7 trillion dollar budget, 2.4 trillion in revenue so where is the shortfall going to come from?
 
bull, you are a republican , why lie about it?

I am a conservative, grew up a Democrat but if that makes you feel good, go for it. I certainly have nothing in common with the Democrat Party today.
 
Have you tried to get this post published as pure fiction? You actually believe that giving the Govt. more revenue is going to lower the deficits, create a balanced budget, and start paying down the debt and you are gong to do this by raising taxes on the rich? We have a 3.7 trillion dollar budget, 2.4 trillion in revenue so where is the shortfall going to come from?
i don't publish fiction my friend , i publish the facts, like 'em or lump 'em, and you have made your posistion clear, that you will continue to live in a fantasy land, and avoid all reality. let me ask you a question....what has the republican secondary mantra of 'starve the beast ' accomplished? especially, when the republicans are as guilty as the dems for deficit spending? seems to me they are doing spending while cutting the means to pay for it....just my opinion, just sayin'...
 
I am a conservative, grew up a Democrat but if that makes you feel good, go for it. I certainly have nothing in common with the Democrat Party today.
doesnt do anything for me, just stating the facts ma'am....your a republican
 
i don't publish fiction my friend , i publish the facts, like 'em or lump 'em, and you have made your posistion clear, that you will continue to live in a fantasy land, and avoid all reality. let me ask you a question....what has the republican secondary mantra of 'starve the beast ' accomplished? especially, when the republicans are as guilty as the dems for deficit spending? seems to me they are doing spending while cutting the means to pay for it....just my opinion, just sayin'...

There is nothing in your post remotely related to a fact, those are your opinions. Why do you believe this Administration that they will use any additional revenue to lower the deficit? Where are those cuts in this proposal? Think about it and verify the rhetoric. There are NO cuts, i.e. winding down the Iraq/Afghanistan War is already happening thus no new cuts.
 
doesnt do anything for me, just stating the facts ma'am....your a republican

Ok, if that is what you want to believe, great. Why don't you admit who you are, a liberal, because that is what you are yet you call yourself a centrist.
 
Ok, if that is what you want to believe, great. Why don't you admit who you are, a liberal, because that is what you are yet you call yourself a centrist.
i call myself a centrist, as that is what i am, i , unlike you, am able to call 'bullcrap' on both sides when i see it...you, on the other hand, can't get past repub talking points, can't see that repubs do the same things you accuse dems of...that somehow, in your world, for whatever reason, if both are doing the same thing, as long as one has an (R) next to their name , you will vote for them and fight for them until the bitter end....dealing with reality is not your strong suit my friend.
 
There is nothing in your post remotely related to a fact, those are your opinions. Why do you believe this Administration that they will use any additional revenue to lower the deficit? Where are those cuts in this proposal? Think about it and verify the rhetoric. There are NO cuts, i.e. winding down the Iraq/Afghanistan War is already happening thus no new cuts.
when have republicans actually practiced what they preach when it comes to 'fiscal responsibility'? wait for it...wait for it..wait for....NEVER, NOT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS AT LEAST
 
i call myself a centrist, as that is what i am, i , unlike you, am able to call 'bullcrap' on both sides when i see it...you, on the other hand, can't get past repub talking points, can't see that repubs do the same things you accuse dems of...that somehow, in your world, for whatever reason, if both are doing the same thing, as long as one has an (R) next to their name , you will vote for them and fight for them until the bitter end....dealing with reality is not your strong suit my friend.

I have given you reality, 25 million plus unemployed and under employed, declining labor force, 1% GDP growth, 4 trillion added to the debt, rising misery index so tell me where those talking points are? Then there is this

IRS Data Show Most Millionaires Pay Taxes At Higher Rate Than Middle Class | Fox News

So Obama has lied again, when are you going to admit that?
 
when have republicans actually practiced what they preach when it comes to 'fiscal responsibility'? wait for it...wait for it..wait for....NEVER, NOT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS AT LEAST

Ok, answer the question were the deficits higher or lower when the GOP Controlled Congress than when the Democrats controlled Congress? Bush and Congress spent too much but Obama and Congress has put that spending on steroids. The lessor of the two evils are the Republicans.
 
Ok, answer the question were the deficits higher or lower when the GOP Controlled Congress than when the Democrats controlled Congress? Bush and Congress spent too much but Obama and Congress has put that spending on steroids. The lessor of the two evils are the Republicans.
doesnt matter, as you are trying to defend the republicans....both are guilty of deficit spending, but you give a pass to one, and not the other, why is that? " but but but they do it too!!" or "but but but they spend more!!!" is not a justification or an adequate defense for your blind loyalty .
 
doesnt matter, as you are trying to defend the republicans....both are guilty of deficit spending, but you give a pass to one, and not the other, why is that? " but but but they do it too!!" or "but but but they spend more!!!" is not a justification or an adequate defense for your blind loyalty .

Some people have yet to realize that when you charge a thousand dollars on a credit card it can cost you tens of thousands later if not paid back in a reasonable amount of time. Obama got handed a delinquent credit card from Bush and his minions are fighting as hard as they can to pass that buck.
 
Ok, answer the question were the deficits higher or lower when the GOP Controlled Congress than when the Democrats controlled Congress? Bush and Congress spent too much but Obama and Congress has put that spending on steroids. The lessor of the two evils are the Republicans.

So again, your point isn't that the Republican party has practiced any amount of conservative fiscal responsibility; it's that they won't take us to hell as quickly. That's not really a ringing endorsement.
 
So again, your point isn't that the Republican party has practiced any amount of conservative fiscal responsibility; it's that they won't take us to hell as quickly. That's not really a ringing endorsement.

Well, as long as the rich don't have to go to hell with the rest of the world, they don't care.
 
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