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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

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    Can you explain to me why liberals always are more concerned about tax revenue to the govt. and class warfare than doing what is right which is cutting the size of govt?
    Tax revenue is needed to run the government. The government is a tool of and for the people. Currently we are not using the tool properly and we're letting it fall into dis-repair. The right doesn't reduce government, they only shift funds from people and give it to the wealthy via no bid contracts and war.
    The difference is quite clear between Republicans and Democrats, Republicans don't care what liberals make or pay in taxes whereas liberals are all about jealousy of what someone else makes or pays in taxes.
    Nosense not even worth addressing.
    We currently have a 3.7 trillion dollar Federal Govt. and until liberals realize that no amount of money will ever satisfy the liberal spending appetite we are going to continue to have a divide between Democrats and Republicans.
    Republicans increase spending and budget deficits. So you're claim is very much off the mark.
    When you say it didn't work then, please be specific, what didn't work? GDP Doubled, Govt. revenue doubled, 17 million jobs were created after the worst recession since the Great Depression and job losses the first two years?
    Trickle down economics or supply side economics (tax cuts to businesses, the wealthy and well off) does not work. Historically, it never has.
    When will liberals realize we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem? Until the govt. gets spending under control why send them any more money to waste? There is no evidence that sending the govt. more money will ever be put to deficit reduction as politicians are more concerned about keeping their jobs by buying votes instead of doing their job.
    First you have to identify what spending was a waste. I think Iraq and Afghanstan were a massive waste. I think giving billionaries a better tax rate than middle class families is a waste of government resources. I think cutting education and trying to destory unions instead of rebuilding our nation's infrastructure is a waste. i think trying to cut Social Security in favor of cutting regulations and given handouts to big business is a waste. War is a waste of life but giving healthcare to all is a boon.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

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    I am not suggesting that at all because the facts show it.

    Reagan added 1.7 trillion to the debt in 8 years-Divided Congress
    Bush one added 1.4 trillion to the debt in 4 years-Democrat controlled Congress
    Clinton added 1.3 trillion to the debt in 8 years, GOP Congress from 1995-2000
    GW Bush added 4.9 trillion to the debt in 8 years-GOP Congress 2003-2007, Democrats controlled Congress 2007-2008
    Obama has added 4 trillion to the debt in 3 years-Democrats with overwhelminng numbers 2009-2010

    So what is your point? Your statement was on Reagan so tell me how 1.7 trillion added to the debt in 8 years is worse than 4 trillion added in three?

    Let's hope so, the only way to get out of debt is to cut spending and grow the economy. That is what Reagan did but you were probably too young to realize that.

    If you know the answer then give them.

    Like all liberals you just don't get it, by the way Reagan inherited a 900 billion debt from Carter. Which party do I trust, Democrat or Republican? Republican for all Democrats have done is promote class warfare and class envy. Why would you support a party that pits classes against each other instead of working towards the betterment of all?
    Before you can pay down the debt, you have to balance the budget. Who has done that in recent history - Republicans or Democrats?

    Democrats are giving reasonable solutions. Republicans are giving the same failed solutions. I trust the Democrats. At least they're trying a path that has worked before.
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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Tettsuo;1059807506]Tax revenue is needed to run the government. The government is a tool of and for the people. Currently we are not using the tool properly and we're letting it fall into dis-repair. The right doesn't reduce government, they only shift funds from people and give it to the wealthy via no bid contracts and war.
    Yes, revenue is needed to run the govt. Today that requirement is 3.7 trillion dollars so explain why? How much of the current govt. is duplicated at the state and local levels. I have posted many times what I would do. First remove SS and Medicare from the Budget, second cut the size of the govt then down to 1.5 trillion dollars by eliminating all duplicated expenses.


    Nosense not even worth addressing.
    Show me one comment made by a Republican or Conservative attacking income earned by a Democrat like Feinstein, Kerry, Boxer, etc?

    Republicans increase spending and budget deficits. So you're claim is very much off the mark.
    So let me see if I have this right, Republicans spent too much so you have no problem with Democrats spending more?

    Trickle down economics or supply side economics (tax cuts to businesses, the wealthy and well off) does not work. Historically, it never has.
    By what standards hasn't trickle down worked. Reagan double Govt. revenue, doubled GDP, and created 17 million jobs.

    First you have to identify what spending was a waste. I think Iraq and Afghanstan were a massive waste. I think giving billionaries a better tax rate than middle class families is a waste of government resources. I think cutting education and trying to destory unions instead of rebuilding our nation's infrastructure is a waste. i think trying to cut Social Security in favor of cutting regulations and given handouts to big business is a waste. War is a waste of life but giving healthcare to all is a boon.
    Iraq and Afghanistan cost 1.4 trillion dollars in 10 years. Deduct that from the 14.6 trillion dollar debt and you still have 13.2 trillion dollar debt. iraq and Afghanistan are winding down so why do we need a 3.7 trillion dollar budget.

    Giving billionaires a better tax rate means they get to keep more of what they have earned. Why is that a problem for you? Govt has already wasted resources by putting too much power at the Federal level. What does a bureacrat know about education problems in your city?

    Why are you even comparing SS with cutting regulations and "giving" handouts to business? They aren't even in the same category and what exactly is the govt. giving business? It is their money before it ever goes to the govt.

    You really have been brainwashed and that is sad.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Before you can pay down the debt, you have to balance the budget. Who has done that in recent history - Republicans or Democrats?

    Democrats are giving reasonable solutions. Republicans are giving the same failed solutions. I trust the Democrats. At least they're trying a path that has worked before.
    Neither party has balanced the budget, Clinton with a Republican Congress came close but did so at the expense of the SS fund.

    Reasonable solutions to a Democrat means taking money from someone else and redistributing it to someone else. You trust the Democrats? Why? when did Democrats ever cut spending? Congress appropriates the money, not the Democrats and Republicans cut the Clinton budgets.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

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    I mean taking SS and Medicare off budget and quit using the funds in the General Budget, that would be the first step.
    OK

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    Then I would quit blaming everyone else for the failures of this Administration and quit promoting class warfare.
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    Today we have a 3.7 trillion dollar govt. and the last Bush budget without TARP and the STimulus plan was 3.1 trillion and that includes military funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars plus SS and Medicare revenue.

    You obviously didn't read the Ryan Budget nor the Cut, Cap, and balance proposal since neither got Presidential or Senate support. I suggest doing better research vs. buying media rhetoric.
    So how did any of this address my comment of "When was the last time conservatives reduced the size of government?". We can take the other things off the general budget books, which may be reasonable. But that doesn't actually reduce the size of government.
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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

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    OK


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    So how did any of this address my comment of "When was the last time conservatives reduced the size of government?". We can take the other things off the general budget books, which may be reasonable. But that doesn't actually reduce the size of government.
    Neither party has reduced the size of Govt. Republicans tried after taking over the House but the President and the Senate wanted nothing to do with it. The better alternative is the Republican Party today. That is reality. Now you can live your pipe dream of a third party but all a third party does is keep Obama in power. Look at NY 23 and NY 26 when Republicans and T.E.A. Party candidates fought amoung themselves. The combined got the most votes but the Democrat won the elections.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Neither party has reduced the size of Govt. Republicans tried after taking over the House but the President and the Senate wanted nothing to do with it. The better alternative is the Republican Party today. That is reality. Now you can live your pipe dream of a third party but all a third party does is keep Obama in power. Look at NY 23 and NY 26 when Republicans and T.E.A. Party candidates fought amoung themselves. The combined got the most votes but the Democrat won the elections.
    Well field better candidates and you won't lose the third party votes. But your answer was the correct ones. Neither party has reduced the size of government. Now, how has each party fared on increasing the size of government? You want to say "Republicans tried", but government expansion isn't a new thing; it's been happening for quite some time. And there were times when Republicans were in charge, and no reduction in the size of government came. We did realize increases in government from both sides, but not decreases. So are you saying the Republicans are best because they won't grow government as fast?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Neither party has reduced the size of Govt. Republicans tried after taking over the House but the President and the Senate wanted nothing to do with it. The better alternative is the Republican Party today. That is reality. Now you can live your pipe dream of a third party but all a third party does is keep Obama in power. Look at NY 23 and NY 26 when Republicans and T.E.A. Party candidates fought amoung themselves. The combined got the most votes but the Democrat won the elections.
    "Neither party has reduced the size of Govt. "....so, why do you support the GOP? if, in your own words, they are no better than the democrats?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well field better candidates and you won't lose the third party votes. But your answer was the correct ones. Neither party has reduced the size of government. Now, how has each party fared on increasing the size of government? You want to say "Republicans tried", but government expansion isn't a new thing; it's been happening for quite some time. And there were times when Republicans were in charge, and no reduction in the size of government came. We did realize increases in government from both sides, but not decreases. So are you saying the Republicans are best because they won't grow government as fast?
    Yet during the Bush years when the Republicans controlled the WH and Congress the deficit was less than when the Democrats controlled the Congress and when they Democrats controlled the Congress and the WH. How is re-electing Obama going to put 25 million unemployed and under employed Americans back to work and actually cut the size of govt?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    "Neither party has reduced the size of Govt. "....so, why do you support the GOP? if, in your own words, they are no better than the democrats?
    You are kidding, right? No better than Obama? Get your union steward to explain it to you.

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