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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But you're both taking us to hell, your side at best is just slightly slower so we can enjoy the trip down. But it's the complete opposite of what I want. I don't want to slowly descend into hell any more than I would like to get there quickly. I would in fact like to avoid it all together. So why should I support a party going in the opposite direction? You keep wanting to trivialize third parties and saying that it's letting Obama win. But the only difference between Obama and the Republicans seems to be, at best, how quickly we will ruin the Republic. So functionally, the two sides are equivalent. Both will lead to ruination. The status quo does not change through support of the status quo. It only changes when its power is threatened. Which would occur if enough people left the main party to vote third party, thus preventing their win.
    I would like to see a viable third party but until you start at the grass roots all a third party does is give Obama another four years. I am still waiting for a successful third party Governor?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you realize that deficits are added to the debt each day?
    No, that's not how it works. Rather than me telling you how it works, how about you look it up and report back.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Another personal attack because you don't like being challenged. You have so much emotional time invested in liberalism that simple facts confuse you. The question is why? We pay debt service on the debt each year and if there was a surplus especially as big as the CBO reported why did debt go up each year? Think about it, I am sure it will come to you.
    It's an observation, not a personal attack. Hate to do it, but when this has been explained to you time and time again and you keep posting the same specious claim, what's a boy to do?

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, that's not how it works. Rather than me telling you how it works, how about you look it up and report back.
    I have looked it up, show me the Clinton surplus from the bank account of the U.S. Govt? You are wrong but too bullheaded to admit it. That is San Francisco liberalism.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It's an observation, not a personal attack. Hate to do it, but when this has been explained to you time and time again and you keep posting the same specious claim, what's a boy to do?
    Then show me the Clinton surplus with Treasury Data, not CBO. You really don't know how CBO works therefore are looking foolish. CBO is NOT the checkbook of the U.S.

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Then show me the Clinton surplus with Treasury Data, not CBO. You really don't know how CBO works therefore are looking foolish. CBO is NOT the checkbook of the U.S.
    Treasury does not publish the appropriate data set for budget deficits. They only publish gross debt numbers. The correct numbers with respect to deficits come from the CBO, which I've already provided (in chart form).

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I call that being book smart and street stupid. We have 25 million plus unemployed and under employed Americans and how do liberals plan on putting them back to work? The numbers are what they are whether you like them or not. debt service is paid on the debt which the accumulation of deficits added to the previous debt.
    Before you were talking about grasp of facts, so that would be "book smart" you were questioning.

    In terms of street smart I find the gap to be wider. Conservatives are more likely to be rural, less likely to have traveled extensively, less likely to have exposure to diversity, etc. So, yeah, not exactly things that scream "street smarts" at you...

    And of course we have a plan... Remember, Obama just introduced a job bill, the stimulus saved between 1 and 2 million jobs, etc. Long term we want to invest in the future through education and scientific research, kick starting green energy, etc. Now the Republicans on the other hand, what's their plan? They're just saying "**** the unemployed, lets just give even more of our GDP to the super rich"
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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I would like to see a viable third party but until you start at the grass roots all a third party does is give Obama another four years. I am still waiting for a successful third party Governor?
    They are only viable if you support them. That's the rub. People here saying they'd rather descend us into hell slowly than give a third party a chance is a bit illogical. But the real power of third parties does not come in with "winning" on some national level. But rather their ability to skew elections preventing one side from winning. That side will have to change the candidates they put up in order to recapture the lost third party voters and that's how you apply pressure on the main party.

    My point remains, it is illogical for me to support through my vote a status quo I do not agree with. The Republocrats are all about the expansion of government power and privlege, the Republicans are not different from the Democrats on that front. Voting for either nets you the same. Obama or whomever the Republicans put up; peas in a pod. If I'm left with undesirables regardless, there's no reason for me to waste my vote on the main party and rather throw some support towards the third parties. We do a lot of grassroots campaigning and even in Colorado on the local levels we have been successful. On the national level, there's a lot of barriers placed there by the Republocrats to stifle and destroy true political competition.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I have looked it up, show me the Clinton surplus from the bank account of the U.S. Govt? You are wrong but too bullheaded to admit it. That is San Francisco liberalism.
    No, that just isn't how it works. We don't settle all accounts every day, we have rounds where we sell a bunch of bonds to get us through a while, then we don't need to sell any for a while, then we do again. It isn't a daily process, it's typically more like 4 times a year.

    I am getting the strong impression that you are just making assumptions about all this stuff and blurting it out like your assumptions are fact...

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    Re: Boehner Asks Debt Panel to Take on Tax Breaks, Reject Hike

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Treasury does not publish the appropriate data set for budget deficits. They only publish gross debt numbers. The correct numbers with respect to deficits come from the CBO, which I've already provided (in chart form).
    Yes it does, you just don't understand the data that was posted nor do you understand debt service but that doesn't stop you from calling me a liar. You and Sheik are quite a pair. So, does your deficit or surplus come from another source than your bank? As stated, you don't have a clue how CBO works and that is embarrassing.

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